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12-13-2012, 06:13 PM | #1 |
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Tracking Newb needs advice on pads
Hey guys. I just started tracking my car. I'm slow and still learning. I am on oem brakes and pads. What pads do you recommend for a M3 that will see about 3 - 4 track days per year. Also what fluid would you recommend.
I have already upgraded the brake lines to ECS teflon/ss. TIA!
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Checkout Stop Tech Street performance pads and Motul RBF600 fluid.........Phil
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stay stock until you start fading
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The Stoptech pads are OK for the track but IMO a dedicated high temp track pads are the way to go. If for no other reason it gives you a forced opportunity to check your brakes, suspension, and tires before and after. Just like tires, need the right pad for the right application. Stoptech specifies light track use...not sure what that means. So I guess they will work if you drive lightly? But E9Xs are heavy pigs and your front brakes take a beating. Better safe with pads built for use at the track than sorry with fading brakes if you ask me.
PF01s are good but don't last very long on the OEM brakes. If cost is a concern, I'd look at a high temp endurance pad like a Pagid Yellow or PF06. There are many others out there.
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If you cook your stock pads and get a vibration, don't panic! You're ready for track pads, and putting track pads on your car after it vibrates will fix the vibration. It's just pad material getting unevenly smeared on your rotors. Again, don't panic! In a pinch...seek out other people with your car and track pads...borrow their used up pads for a couple days and it will clean the rotors right up. PM me...I always have pads just for this reason.
With the OEM pads, be sure to drive for 5-10 minutes after your last braking session, never rest your foot on the pedal after coming off the track. When you pit, shut the car off and use the clutch to stop the car. Park it in gear, no ebrake.
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Thanks! You've always got my back...you PF whore!
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I got Endless MX72 for dual street and track use and they are excellent. They are pricey but don't squeak when you're on the street. Plus they work great on the track and don't fade.
Not having to change the pads before and after every event is nice. I'll still put my stocks back in if I'm not going to track for several months but it is nice to have the option of leaving them in too. |
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1. Nothing worse that showing up to track with 30% of the pad life remaining only to find out by the 3rd session of the first day that you're out of pads. Then you need to change hot brakes at the track. Once the pads get thinner, they wear faster because they get hotter. 2. You have to pull the wheels and tires off to change the pads. What a great opportunity to look at your suspension, wheels and tires to make sure that everything is good to go before and after the track event. At a minumum, you should be pulling the wheel to look at the backside pad. If you less fuss or cost is an issue then the ST pads might be the way to go.
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Thanks guys for all your responses. Your advice is greatly appreciated!
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While the OEM pads may be adequate, I can't, in good conscience, recommend them.
They may work fine for your needs, and might have worked fine for others needs. But until you get out there and start driving, you're not going to know. There is nothing worse than have to leave a track weekend early because you are not properly equipped. Do yourself a favor and get the upgraded pads. I'd rather see you over-prepared, then packing up at lunch time. |
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im very sorry but if someone has never tracked before and is just starting and makes the stock pads fade....you are simply NOT learning properly
the only reason to upgrade pads early is to waste your money. when and only when you start noticing fade because you are fast enough (while remaining safe) to ellicit it, then...by all means...upgrade |
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I recently tried the stock brakes with hybrid street/track pad route
using Endless MX72's. They had some squeak on the street (unusual for these pads according to Endless rep) but great feel, overall would say they are excellent pads for spirited driving and light track use. However, as I gain more track experience I'm overheating them with uneven pad transfer. I have a supercharger, was on a pretty fast track, getting better and was trying to brake later. Since I'm planning to track more often (it's more addictive than crack!) I decided to just do things right from the start and get a BBK and use dedicated track pads. OEM street pads are definitely not enough, you'll burn them up quick, If your just doing a few track days a year hybrids will work great and you wont have to change them out. I think dedicated pads are the way to go once your really into it and going to the track regularly. If your interested to try set of almost new Endless MX72's give me a shout. Axis
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I see better high temperature pads as a safety/reliability upgrade. I wouldn't think a novice needs a seat and harness but that's something that I would recommend a novice look into. Unlike supercharging their engine or jumping right into R-comps.
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I would also like to specify that my advice applies to someone who has NEVER tracked before. If you have already been on a track woth another car and understand the intricacies of this passtime, then by all means yes...start with better pads. |
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Do you have a link to where I can buy the ST pads?
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