2012 370z or 2013 frs?

[templarklimek]

Originally Posted by CDM3DCT

Thanks for the feedback and yeah I've definitely looked at the limited BRZ, the only downside is that I can't justify paying about 8k more over the frs for just heated semi leather seats, push to start and navi. I'll keep my eye out though and see if the prices begin to drop on these now that the 2014 model is out.

In regards to the oversteer, I agree!! I thought I might have been the only one but other have also said the same. Regardless I'm dropping the car on some eibachs as soon as I get it and slapping some meaty tires on enkei wheels. Some time in the future maybe, and that's a big maybe, some coilovers.

you need to drive a mini JCW. An AWESOME, fast and nimble daily driver that gets great gas mileage.

[Greddy82]

Originally Posted by Billj747

What's your point? You can add Porsche GT3, Radical, McLaren MP4-12C and many more to that list but those are way out of the price range, and the Miata/BRZ/FRS are slower than the 370. The Cayman and a 135i are decent comparisons but are quite a bit more expensive.

Are there better cars out there? Yes. Faster more track dedicated? Sure. But for the price, it's hard to beat the performance and potential of a 370.

+100

[F32]

Forgot about the Koenigsegg Agera R and Pagani Zonda F. Those are RWD and lighter than a 370Z, too.

[Greddy82]

Originally Posted by CDM3DCT

I'm looking to pick up a nice daily and have narrowed my choices down to a 370z and an FRS. Ultimately I'm looking for an automatic that will give me the choice of switching over to paddle shifting. Something fun and around/under 30. I'm coming from a 2004 Honda accord coupe as my current daily.

Frs pros- lightweight, fun to drive, cheap and easy mod/track.
Cons- plain interior, and somewhat of a boy racer feel.

370z pros- fast and for a mature crowd
Cons- heavy and could cost more to mod

Any recommendations?

(On a side note keep in mind I don't want a GTI or an older Porsche- I already have an E92 in the garage)

i would choose 370Z (hands down)
well since you are looking for a auto

2013 FRS-MSRP $26355 (you know you cant get much discount off on scion)
Auto 0-60 8.2 sec (do i need to say it more?)
2014 370z-MSRP $31290 ( you can get at least 2k off MSRP)
True price -$29290 or lower

Both have RWD.
Difference??
2.0L 4 cyl 200Hp,151LB.-FT VS 3.7L 6 cyl 332HP,270LB.-FT
6 Speed Auto VS 7 Speed Auto
17" wheels VS 18" wheels
Brakes 11.6 VS 12.6

and others like HID,Push start... etc... so many..
For less than 3k diff..

and also i do not want to buy japanese sports car that is slower than 2013 honda Accord 4cyl EX 4D(Auto 0-60 7.7) family car..

i know its light N nimble but no value....

[Greddy82]

Originally Posted by buildbright

Boxter
Cayman
Miata
Caterham 7
Ariel Atom
KTM Xbow
Mono
Lotus (pick one)
Alpha Romeo 4c
BRZ/FRS

Just for a comparison.

Cayman (2x price of 370z)
Miata(158Hp - auto)
caterham 7 (....... just google it and see photo ..........)
ariel atom (....... just google it and see photo ..........)
ktm xbow (....... just google it and see photo ..........)
mono (....... just google it and see photo ..........)
Lotus (2x price of 370z)
alpha romeo 4c(2x price of 370z)

[Greddy82]

Originally Posted by F32

Forgot about the Koenigsegg Agera R and Pagani Zonda F. Those are RWD and lighter than a 370Z, too.

Haha +100

[BMW269]

This thread clearly shows why BMW will not build a RWD Z2 sDrive28i Coupé. Because it will be slower than an 335i.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by Levi

This thread clearly shows why BMW will not build a RWD Z2 sDrive28i Coupé. Because it will be slower than an 335i.

I agree. Everything has to be faster and must run the 1/4 mile faster then another car.

[M3_WC]

Only on bimmerpost you can argue with a Nascar driver about the 370Z.

LOL

[Greddy82]

Originally Posted by Levi

This thread clearly shows why BMW will not build a RWD Z2 sDrive28i Coupé. Because it will be slower than an 335i.

then can you explain why BMW built a RWD Z4 sdrive28i coupe, that is slower than 335i sedan??

[Greddy82]

Originally Posted by buildbright

I agree. Everything has to be faster and must run the 1/4 mile faster then another car.

i agree , i bet you would love to own a sports car which will be slower than family car 4cyl accord.

[M3_WC]

Focus ST is good option in the low $20k range. Front wheel drive, but a very fun car.

[buildbright]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Focus ST is good option in the low $20k range. Front wheel drive, but a very fun car.

Agreed there are some awesome FWD and AWD options. A Mazda Speed or WRX would also be a fun car.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by Greddy82

then can you explain why BMW built a RWD Z4 sdrive28i coupe, that is slower than 335i sedan??

Because it is cheaper than to continue building a RWD Z4 sDrive30i with NA I6. And anyway nobody is interested in it, it is slower than 335i, but it is not sportier/more nimble or better handling.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Greddy82

i would choose 370Z (hands down)
well since you are looking for a auto

2013 FRS-MSRP $26355 (you know you cant get much discount off on scion)
Auto 0-60 8.2 sec (do i need to say it more?)
2014 370z-MSRP $31290 ( you can get at least 2k off MSRP)
True price -$29290 or lower

Both have RWD.
Difference??
2.0L 4 cyl 200Hp,151LB.-FT VS 3.7L 6 cyl 332HP,270LB.-FT
6 Speed Auto VS 7 Speed Auto
17" wheels VS 18" wheels
Brakes 11.6 VS 12.6

and others like HID,Push start... etc... so many..
For less than 3k diff..

and also i do not want to buy japanese sports car that is slower than 2013 honda Accord 4cyl EX 4D(Auto 0-60 7.7) family car..

i know its light N nimble but no value....

See, you're more focused on numbers and speed instead of having a lighter chassis with a more playful and involved driving experience.

I'm in the market for one of these cars and the 370Z doesn't even make the long list for me. I want something that's light and tossable that doesn't have to travel at extra-legal speeds to get some tire scrubbing or some rear end play going.

If you have more fun racing at stoplights or 1-upping some people on the road, go for the Z. If you're buying the car because you like to drive, go for the GT86 twins.

[3002 tii]

Both cars are crappy options for a daily lol, getting it automatic doesn't make it any more practical, but less fun if anything. It's like getting the worst of both.

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

See, you're more focused on numbers and speed instead of having a lighter chassis with a more playful and involved driving experience.

I'm in the market for one of these cars and the 370Z doesn't even make the long list for me. I want something that's light and tossable that doesn't have to travel at extra-legal speeds to get some tire scrubbing or some rear end play going.

If you have more fun racing at stoplights or 1-upping some people on the road, go for the Z. If you're buying the car because you like to drive, go for the GT86 twins.

So you would not consider an E36 M3 as 'light and tossable'?

IMO the E36 is a great chassis and just enough power to have fun with (which is still 40hp more than the GT86). Although if we had the Euro S50B32, I would keep that car forever. The 370 weighs as much as an E36 and has the power of an E46 (or similar power/weight as the Euro S50B32 M3). Or you could say, it has the same power, but 100lbs heavier than a Z4M Coupe. That's enough power to sustain decent drifts and have a lot of fun with, and no you don't have to go 'extra-legal speeds' to have fun and do it. Actaully, you can be going slower and use the power to drive the car sideways.

The FRS/MX-5/RX8/MRS are all great handling, light, tossable cars that you can't have tail-out fun with, but IMO they don't have enough power stock to sustain long drifts and require more entry speed to do so, or they dont last as long. There's nothing wrong with those characteristics if thats what you're looking for, they are still fantastic cars.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Billj747

So you would not consider an E36 M3 as 'light and tossable'?

IMO the E36 is a great chassis and just enough power to have fun with (which is still 40hp more than the GT86). Although if we had the Euro S50B32, I would keep that car forever. The 370 weighs as much as an E36 and has the power of an E46 (or similar power/weight as the Euro S50B32 M3). That's enough power to sustain decent drifts and have a lot of fun with, and no you don't have to go 'extra-legal speeds' to have fun and do it. Actaully, you can be going slower and use the power to drive the car sideways.

The FRS/MX-5/RX8/MRS are all great handling, light, tossable cars that you can't have tail-out fun with, but IMO they don't have enough power stock to sustain long drifts and require more entry speed to do so, or they dont last as long. There's nothing wrong with those characteristics if thats what you're looking for, they are still fantastic cars.

Fair response, and looking back at my reply it did come off as pretty condescending (I blame it on the lack of coffee this morning), so my apologies there.

I just think the Z comes off as a bruiser when we're speaking on relative terms. Its more taughtly-sprung suspension and damping, heavier curb weight, and brutish V6 create a different experience. For outright sustained oversteer it's probably the better choice, but I'd still rather have a car that places emphasis on languid control and transfer of momentum with on-tap oversteer at low speeds. It could definitely use more torque to keep the rear more adjustable, but I still think it has more key ingredients to make a better DD "fun" car.

Full disclosure: I've never warmed up to the latest Z's styling, and the VQ engines have never sat well with me.

[Edit] full disclosure part 2: I haven't driven a 370Z (but had ample time in the Toyobarus), but I had the opportunity to borrow a family member's facelifted 350Z for the better part of 150mi, so my 370 impressions are entirely second hand based on articles and comparisons.

[Billj747]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

Fair response, and looking back at my reply it did come off as pretty condescending (I blame it on the lack of coffee this morning), so my apologies there.

I just think the Z comes off as a bruiser when we're speaking on relative terms. Its more taughtly-sprung suspension and damping, heavier curb weight, and brutish V6 create a different experience. For outright sustained oversteer it's probably the better choice, but I'd still rather have a car that places emphasis on languid control and transfer of momentum with on-tap oversteer at low speeds. It could definitely use more torque to keep the rear more adjustable, but I still think it has more key ingredients to make a better DD "fun" car.

Full disclosure: I've never warmed up to the latest Z's styling, and the VQ engines have never sat well with me.

[Edit] full disclosure part 2: I haven't driven a 370Z (but had ample time in the Toyobarus), but I had the opportunity to borrow a family member's facelifted 350Z for the better part of 150mi, so my 370 impressions are entirely second hand based on articles and comparisons.

Fair enough

The 86 is an amazing car with the Cg so low and an impressively (uncharacteristic?)ly smooth subaru boxer engine. It's hard to beat the feel and performance of that low of a Cg. The 370 does have a rougher ride (Nismo is pretty bad), and if I bought one, I would but a set of KW V3s on there right away to improve the ride.

For my disclosure, i'm a bit biased towards torque for my avenue of drifting fun. I almost went with a C63 over my E90M. I'd also love to see an LS swap in a FRS, contemplated a LS swap in my E36, and would probably never go back to a 4cyl bike after being spoiled with the torque of a Ducati's V-twin.

There's nothing wrong with differing opinions/desires

[Red Bread]

Are we talking daily driver to complement an E9x M3 or a drift car?

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Billj747

Fair enough

The 86 is an amazing car with the Cg so low and an impressively (uncharacteristic?)ly smooth subaru boxer engine. It's hard to beat the feel and performance of that low of a Cg. The 370 does have a rougher ride (Nismo is pretty bad), and if I bought one, I would but a set of KW V3s on there right away to improve the ride.

For my disclosure, i'm a bit biased towards torque for my avenue of drifting fun. I almost went with a C63 over my E90M. I'd also love to see an LS swap in a FRS, contemplated a LS swap in my E36, and would probably never go back to a 4cyl bike after being spoiled with the torque of a Ducati's V-twin.

There's nothing wrong with differing opinions/desires

I think I'm not entirely objective since I personally crave the chance to own a lightweight, RWD car before I need to sacrifice toys for practicality, and the GT86 is right up my alley.

And hey, oversteer4lyfe. Seriously, I'm with you on that one. Give me tail out action over outright grip any day of the week. I saw a video of a BRZ with an LS2 swap and nearly fainted... and it wasn't even at pace. Just the thought...

If you're looking for a C63 in Iridium Silver, I have one in the family owned by my mother. She told me she's looking to get out of it and already has her name on the list for a CLA45. I can tell you that the thing hasn't seen more than 3k on the tach for more than 99% of its life, and that 1% would be when I've had the chance to borrow it a couple years back. I'm considering buying her car off of her, but I still want something lightweight with a locking diff (no PP on her's).

[Greddy82]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

See, you're more focused on numbers and speed instead of having a lighter chassis with a more playful and involved driving experience.

I'm in the market for one of these cars and the 370Z doesn't even make the long list for me. I want something that's light and tossable that doesn't have to travel at extra-legal speeds to get some tire scrubbing or some rear end play going.

If you have more fun racing at stoplights or 1-upping some people on the road, go for the Z. If you're buying the car because you like to drive, go for the GT86 twins.

Well i was more focused on Value... for about 2k more you get much better car for the money...
Notice:2014 370z price dropped 3k....
BRZ/FRS is a great car, dont get me wrong but does it worth its price tag??
i would say No

370z competes with much higher priced sports cars.. and simply not in same league as FRS/BRZ..
and your sig clearly showing you own FRS