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06-19-2007, 02:57 PM | #1 |
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I just read Roundel's write up on the E92 M3 V-8 power plant.
I can honestly say that it's quite impressive, but it actually swayed me to think that the 225i's i-6 is a better baseline powerplant.
From what you guys report, the i-6 stays buttery smooth with remapping, delivers more power, and is more driveable. Who would have thought such nonsense? |
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Can you scan/post the article?
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Huh? 335i right?
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They are two COMPLETELY different engines for two COMPLETELY different purposes and thinking that one of them is as a whole better is rather ignorant.
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While it's cute that you consider yourself to be "Mr. Motor Know It All", that hardly escapes the fact that the car will be driven on pedestrian roadways and is sold as a production car. |
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06-19-2007, 06:30 PM | #9 |
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I read that article yesterday when I got my first issue too. What an amazing piece of work. I like the picture of it sitting in the testing room with glowing red exhaust pipes.
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If you read the article as you claim you know the new M3's V8 has already proven itself in the M3 GTR raced in the 2001 ALMS series. While it lacks the dry sump and flat plane crank of the GTR's engine, it does have close to the same power output at 8300 rpm, individual throttle bodies, etc. It even weighs 33 pounds less than the straight six found in the previous M3. This isn't an attempt to sound smart, this is straight from Roundel. If you think the the 335i's engine is the better one for you that's great but that certainly doesn't make it a better engine. The fact is one was born and bred for circuit racing and one has had overheating issues leading to limp mode on the track. That says something to me whether or not the majority of both cars will suffer the fate of a grocery getter. At the end of the day those two engines were engineered with very different purposes in mind whether they're sitting in Michael Schumacher's garage or your grandma's.
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I just got the Roundel yesterday. If someone doesn't scan it in by tonight I'll try to do so later in the evening when I am back from work.
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The facts are you are wrong, but please keep drinking the M kool-aid. What makes the new M3 engine any better than the now going on 3 yo production Audi 4.2L engine producing almost identical specs? Without the dry sump what makes the M3 engine special? NOTHING! And lets not confuse the fact that this is basically a cost saving 2 cylinder lopped version on the M5-6 engine. And the 335i engine does not have overheating issues except when paired with the Step and the jury is still out on whether the oil cooler retrofit solves that issue. In another year, the 09 CTS-V will be running around with 600 HP. The GTR will be making 550+ HP (with chip) and kick the M3 around any track you care to run. Now those are special engines. |
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So despite individual throttle bodies, an 8400 rpm redline, aluminum construction, and 420 naturally aspirated horsepower, etc. the dry sump was the only thing that made it special? That's news to me. As I've already said this engine was designed for and proven on the track. Are you trying to tell me the 335's was also? If not I don't see what you're trying to prove.
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Oh lord.....has any letter in the alphabet ever created so many arguments as the letter M?
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The M engine is brilliant. However, the primary intent is to make wienies buy one so that they can brag about their track credentials as they drive to and from their local Starbucks. Now, if that engine comes in a CSL package, then this is a different discussion. However, given the nature of the way that the VAST majority of these cars will be used, you have to consider issues such as lower RPM available torque needed in daily situations. Even Roundel complained about this in the M5's V-10. Go figure. |
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Two points:
First, this is a fine example yet again of the benefits of joining the BMW CCA. You get the Roundel, and it is a good rag for those of us interested in things blue&white. There is almost always a gem of an article with specific stuff that you would never find in the trade rags. Second, is the M3 E9x gonna rock? I think so. If I thought it was a rational use of my limited funds I would have put my deposit down a long time ago. The lack of an ED discount, and no deals off MSRP pretty much doomed it for me. It has the whole package -- LSD, CF roof, aluminum suspension castings that are pieces of art, perfect seats, .... And on topic, a wonderful V8, albeit without DI. My 335 with thousands of $ in mods is a cheap substitute, but both are phenomenal cars IMO. I need 4 doors for at least several years, and at that point there should be fun items to consider like the Z2 M that weighs almost a ton less.
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Did you ignore the numbers being put out by the competition? Including that of a chipped 335? How do you call an engine special if it does not exceed the performance of the competition, regardless of the number of marketing descriptions you can throw at it? |
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I just went to the BMWCCA website to see if I could snag a pdf of the article, and the "current issue" is still May... Pisses me off how the rags do that. Figured I could convince a few of you that Roundel (+500 rebate, driving schools, tech advice, ...) was a worthwhile part of joining BMWCCA. Oh well, there is talk of the website getting revamped.
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