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My favorite moments are 3:30 and 6:30, but nothing comes close to what the driver pulls off at 0:08! Also, the music is great! Makes me want to go on a track...
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When we go to Deals Gap in Tennessee with the bikes,Saturdays are reserved for loading up the truck with beer and lawnchairs and finding a corner to watch all the shenanigans.We do all our riding before 10 am or after 6.00pm on the weekends or go elsewhere away from the weekidiots.
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You're pretty talented and taking better lines than your friend in the camera car. He's diving for early apexes. You both have good control, but would be much, much safer with a little training. Taking the correct line will give you a much larger margin for error. I find it hard to believe that the camera car had wife and kids in it, probably with no helmets. I just don't think that's wise at the speeds that you were going on such a dangerous course. There were several points where one small misstep would have resulted in a potentially horrendous crash. As for trail braking, I saw some, but I didn't see the tail step out. If it is, it means that you're very, very near the limit and should probably get your braking done a little sooner. Very few of those corners in the video really needed trail braking accept to recover from error. Where trail braking is most useful is a very slow, neutral corner (like 40 mph) at the end of a long straight. You lengthen the straight AND improve turn in, at a place where it's easy to make the car plow. You pick up speed by avoiding the plow and braking deeper. Often, a little rotation is helpful in these type corners. Trails braking through high speed corners is a dangerous strategy. Generally you want to enter under control, hit your apex and be on the power. Dave
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All those Opels, early 911s, BMW 1600s and 2002s still don't match the number of Beetles. Those were the poor man's race car of the day. The Beetle class at SCCA autocrosses would be packed. Times have changed, except idiots still haunt The Ring. Dave
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I had to constantly watch out for these guys.. They are known as Ringheroes. Bad drivers who think they can go fast on the Ring.
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Everything you've said made a lot of sense and I think is in line with my driving style. I'm the kind of guy who doesn't do jerky inputs, when I put an input with the steering wheel, it is one smooth but quick motion and then I hold it. I time it good enough to where there is very little adjustment for me to hit the apex. The braking, I try to finish all my braking before entering into a corner so I can be on the gas no later than hitting the apex of the corner. Exit speed is something I've been working on. I've been saved by MDM a few times, like when I hit the giant oil spill and the other time when the ass end stepped out when I had to brake into the turn due to my inaccurate assessment of how faded the brakes where. I wasn't dumb enough to disable DSC at the Ring because I know I need a lot more track time before I start thinking about it. |
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I just mentioned it because it seemed to me that the E46 M3 with SMG didn't feel as loose in this situation- but in all other areas there really isn't a comparison. So, fantastic posts on this thread and thanks to all for the insights. I think it's just a case of getting used to the new car, adjusting for it. Probably the best solution is to avoid the downshift while entering the turn and of course use good judgment and trailbrake as little as possible. Thanks!!!
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Having said that, I think my experience was a case where I was not smooth and the braking was too late into the corner... As far as your talent- way cool watching the vids- you definitely have game and I assume you are a pilot so you have some natural ability. You have forged your talent on one of the hardest courses in the world. Training be damned, you could teach some of us some lessons!
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Trail braking becomes even more useful if the car tends towards understeer coupled with high horsepower, like our cars with a stock alignment.
You can't get on the gas too soon in slower corner or it will push, so it's just best to drive it in deep trail braking, weight the front to get it turned in, rotated and unwind the wheel early so you can get to full throttle quicker. |
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By all means, left foot brake all the time with the DCT. You can be much smoother when you can start braking as you're rolling off the throttle and don't have to be 100% off the throttle to start your braking. In autocross, I left foot brake even though I drive a 6MT. I think of it as smoothing weight transfer. It's also useful in unstable areas, like slaloms where you can modulate things. The same principals apply on the track. Just be aware, as you need to be on the street, to be all the way off the brake pedal when not actually braking. I usually plant my heel and rotate the ball of my foot, either flat on the floor or hovering over the brake. Dave
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Army, I'm not an expert but before even thinking about trail braking get some real instruction. I'm talking a day or two with real advanced drivers that are used to providing training at a high level. You have a very high natural level of talent, but your line and other things can still be improved. DCSTEP mentioned a few things like turning in too early in a few places, everytime you did it slowed you down. Trail braking can help, but you can shave time in so many other areas first w/o even turning MDM off.
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