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[codinge90]

Hi everyone, tires have about 8,000 miles on them. Front right is showing cording and front left is pretty much bald on the inside. Alignment was performed about 10-12,000 miles ago. Past 8,000 miles has been half freeway and half spirited mountain driving.

Info on car: h&r race springs, 265/30/19, 295/30/19 Hankook ventus v12 evo2 tires.

Does this look normal? I know that when lowered wearing on the inner front tires but this seems a bit crazy as the rest of the tire has lots of life left.

[dparm]

What were the alignment specs when you had it checked?

[codinge90]

Originally Posted by dparm

When's the last time you had the alignment checked?

Alignment was performed 10-12,000 miles ago. Front tires were put on 8,000 miles ago

[roastbeef]

could be a few things. first, lowering springs may have added some rear camber. second, you should check your rear toe settings. a slight toe-out in combination with camber will compound this. lastly, this is where the car pivots when you are turning and accelerating and engaging the lsd. if you're making a tight right turn from a stop and getting on the gas pretty good (like city driving), you're going to induce some wear.

although your tires are shot (i can see belt in the last pic), 8,000 miles isn't terrible when all of the above is contributing.

edit- just realized these were the front tires. its probably from a toe-out alignment.

[codinge90]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

could be a few things. first, lowering springs may have added some rear camber. second, you should check your rear toe settings. a slight toe-out in combination with camber will compound this. lastly, this is where the car pivots when you are turning and accelerating and engaging the lsd. if you're making a tight right turn from a stop and getting on the gas pretty good (like city driving), you're going to induce some wear.

although your tires are shot (i can see belt in the last pic), 8,000 miles isn't terrible when all of the above is contributing.

edit- just realized these were the front tires. its probably from a toe-out alignment.

Thanks for the info. Yeah I figured 8,000 isn't bad but looking at the wear pattern from outer to inner, it seemed a bit off to me. Gonna have my alignment checked again this upcoming week!

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by codinge90

Thanks for the info. Yeah I figured 8,000 isn't bad but looking at the wear pattern from outer to inner, it seemed a bit off to me. Gonna have my alignment checked again this upcoming week!

did you replace your rear tires at the same time? usually, you'll replace the rear tires 2:1 to the fronts on these cars. if your fronts look like that, but your rears are fine, it is a toe issue. if your rears are shot too, you're over-driving the tires.

[codinge90]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

did you replace your rear tires at the same time? usually, you'll replace the rear tires 2:1 to the fronts on these cars. if your fronts look like that, but your rears are fine, it is a toe issue. if your rears are shot too, you're over-driving the tires.

After. Rears were replace a few thousand miles ago and the wear on the rears looks completely normal

[dparm]

Originally Posted by codinge90

Alignment was performed 10-12,000 miles ago. Front tires were put on 8,000 miles ago

Sorry, I edited my post after realizing I had missed that in your original post.

What were the alignment specs?

[pbonsalb]

I agree that probably toe is out of spec.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

did you replace your rear tires at the same time? usually, you'll replace the rear tires 2:1 to the fronts on these cars. if your fronts look like that, but your rears are fine, it is a toe issue. if your rears are shot too, you're over-driving the tires.

Agreed.

Toe eats tires faster than camber.

[Richbot]

Toe plus camber = tire death. I run a little bit of front toe out and 2.5 degrees and if I don’t rotate I wear insides quickly. I have found the alignment makes the front end respond so nicely that it is worth it to rotate and run square. Used to be a big believer in staggered. Now I think I would just add a rear spacer to increase track width in back to cure any oversteer from the square setup

[tdott]

Get a new alignment shop.
They fudged the results and didn't do a good job.

Originally Posted by codinge90

Thanks for the info. Yeah I figured 8,000 isn't bad but looking at the wear pattern from outer to inner, it seemed a bit off to me. Gonna have my alignment checked again this upcoming week!

Do you have the print out? Did they give you one?

[codinge90]

Originally Posted by tdott

Get a new alignment shop.
They fudged the results and didn't do a good job.

Do you have the print out? Did they give you one?

Yes I'll try to find the alignment sheet they gave me

[tdott]

Originally Posted by codinge90

Yes I'll try to find the alignment sheet they gave me

Well there is really not much you can do about it now, replace your front tires and get another alignment done. This time make sure to goto a good alignment shop. Ideally you want toe to be as even as possible and closer to the 0 end of the specs. If they left it at the upper end of the specs, it could still be within spec and cause premature thread wear. The specs call for more toe in than needed imo, it is good for safety (bmw avoids lawsuits) because it promotes understeer at the expense of tire wear.

I like my front toe as close to 0 as possible, usually 0.05 degree each side or 0.1 total. (0 toe on track cars)

You also want me to make sure camber is even and isn't out of wack which could mean something is bent.

[ByeFelicia]

I had the same issues in terms of wear. Ran stock sizes of Yoko AD08R. Front right or left was down to cords and other just worn no cord. Backs were bald no cord.

A friend that works at a Euro shop told me this is a common wear pattern of euro vehicles.

[dparm]

Originally Posted by ByeFelicia

I had the same issues in terms of wear. Ran stock sizes of Yoko AD08R. Front right or left was down to cords and other just worn no cord. Backs were bald no cord.

A friend that works at a Euro shop told me this is a common wear pattern of euro vehicles.

"Common wear pattern of Euro vehicles"? That doesn't make sense.

[ByeFelicia]

Wasnt from me. This is someone who works in a shop that handles Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Porsche only. So German if you want specifics.

[Edward]

Too much toe out for sure. I bet your car is darty and skittish when you brake hard too right?

You're dragging the inner shoulder hard. It's kind of like if you were knock kneed and never lifted your foot during your stride so the inner part of your shoes would be wearing.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by ByeFelicia

A friend that works at a Euro shop told me this is a common wear pattern of euro vehicles.

might be 1/2 right... most euro cars are front engined and rear wheel drive. they have some toe out from the factory because it makes it easier to recover from oversteer. zero toe, or toe-in makes the handling more responsive and sometimes referred to as "twitchy." its not an accident that these cars understeer and have a toe-out; they are easier for the average joe to handle when he screws around and bites off too much.

[DetroitP]

OP, did u ever figure out the alignment issue you had?