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04-07-2008, 06:46 PM | #23 |
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My point precisely, none of us like taxes, but my feeling is that if you can afford a $70K car that eats up gas, then we shouldn’t mind paying a bit more taxes!!!! And, well, the US Government does a generally good job of spending your taxes!!! Unlike some others!!!!
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04-07-2008, 08:42 PM | #24 |
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For me the point is not the gas guzzler tax. That is a one time bill that is paid for and done with....good bye and good riddance. The point is, BMWs disingenuous practice of cooking the numbers and false advertising proclaiming to the world their efficient dynamics, blah blah blah. The M3 is dynamic but is frankly one of the most inefficient high performance engines available, especially given the newness of it's motor development.
IMO, BMW made a major mistake in not developing DFI for the M3's 4 litre. I know it is a high revving motor and a difficult engineering achievement, but they could have done it rather than going the cost saving route by basically lopping off 2 cylinders from the V10. I would have been willing to wait 6 more months for DFI development and would have gladly payed a couple thousand more for the R&D to enjoy it's benefits, one of which would of been a nice bump in horsepower. BMW have done a great job with the DFI 335 power plant, which is clearly one of the most powerful, yet fuel efficient motors in it's class. BMW has always been known for their power to efficiency ratio of their engines, that is a major reason why I have been so enamored with their power plants for so long. This philosophy started to change with the development of the V10. Horsepower and red line were all that mattered at the expense of torque and fuel efficiency. To make the argument that if one can afford a 70 k car then one can afford the gas is ridiculous on so many levels. It totally misses the point. I may be alone on this but when I compare high performance power plants, I compare horsepower, torque, weight, efficiency and red line. High scores in all areas is what separates great engineering from good engineering. |
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Agree with your view on BMW taking the short-cut route by using much of the V-10 and avoiding the DFI. It feels to me like a corporate (aka produce the most with the least investment) decision. Certainly fuel efficiency is a bigger deal today than it was a few years ago when the V-10 was being developed, but it had to be compelling to use the V-10 components in developing the V-8. However, I still believe the new powerplant is a helluva motor. I also am anxiously awaiting to see the fuel comsumption of a broken-in M3 with DKG. My guess is that the car will beat the fuel consumption of its direct competition, as it has been doing with the performance numbers and track times. |
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Now this is not meant to be a "the 335 is better than the M3" comment. All I am saying is I don have a conscious, and it would make my purchasing decision easier and less guilt filled if the mpg were better on this car. Okay, slap and flame away boys.....
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04-08-2008, 09:03 AM | #28 |
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+1 and the reason I am in this business!!!!
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04-08-2008, 09:06 AM | #30 |
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You an engineer at a energy company or something?
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04-08-2008, 09:07 AM | #31 |
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I am the CFO of an Energy company!! Although clearly I do get involved in the engineering aspect!!! Its really amazing stuff!!!!
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04-08-2008, 09:08 AM | #32 |
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I do have engineering background though!! Before my Masters etc...
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04-08-2008, 09:54 AM | #33 |
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Congratulations. Please post pics of the interior when you get the car so we can see the anthracite wood trim up close. Thanks.
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04-08-2008, 10:07 AM | #34 |
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No matter how much cash you have one effect of poor MPG is you spend a lot more time at the pump, a chipped 335D can get 500 to a tank with 90% of straight line performance of a M3 that can get 250 (based on uk gallons)
In cold, wet, miserable scotland the one thing I'm going to hate when I get my new M3 is filling up twice as much as I did in my old car |
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I agree with the vast majority of posters here about efficiency. There is another thread currently on the first page talking about the theoretical future RS4/RS5 and how it will "be faster for sure." To me the great question is when will somebody get serious about weight and efficiency rather than just slapping bigger turbos or displacement on the engine. A 30-35 mpg car that has M3 level performance would be a huge seller imho. If the Tesla ever really comes to fruition, watch out. A $70k M3ish 4 seat car with a performance electric engine would have me sell my future M3 in a heartbeat.
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Much, thanks mom. Do I still have to go to school
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Anyway, if you want to read more than you ever wanted to know about GGT: http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/guzzler/index.htm
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04-09-2008, 09:12 AM | #43 |
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+1 hate giving the government anymore money than we already have.
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Hahaha!!! Just lucky a guess and enjoy what I do!!!
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