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12-24-2013, 02:07 PM | #24 |
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MRF do you have any that are suitable for the z4m??
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12-24-2013, 03:21 PM | #25 |
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Sorry no but not much to see once in the car.
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12-24-2013, 03:36 PM | #26 |
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Thanks. I was wondering what exactly contacts the chassis of the car with the new bushings? Bushings only/bushing and part of subframe? Looking at the pictures it looks like the top part of the bushing is flush with the top part of the mounting hole in the subframe.
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12-24-2013, 09:01 PM | #28 |
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I second the subframe bushings. Replaced over a year ago, multiple cross country trips, great solid feel, and as stated earlier, ZERO increase in NVH.
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12-25-2013, 12:28 PM | #29 | |
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12-25-2013, 12:52 PM | #30 |
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zero NVH? how can that be? there is no isolation like the factory ones.
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12-25-2013, 01:21 PM | #31 | |
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If anyone is thinking about a new M car, you are getting solid subframes.
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12-25-2013, 07:34 PM | #32 |
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The weight of the car is held up by the springs. Essentially, compressing the springs attempts to pull the subframe away from the car. That's the reason to minimize the deflection so that the shocks and springs can be tuned to control the movement of the wheel alone. Replacing the lower control arm bushings with bearings (e.g. from BW) would help also.
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12-26-2013, 06:11 AM | #33 |
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Yes, I understand the pivot effect of the rear springs in pulling the subframe downwards, but that isn't an effective way to hold the subframe in place especially when the suspension is quickly loaded and unloaded, like when going over a sharp crest or a dip in the road at speed.
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12-26-2013, 09:56 AM | #34 |
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Did you change your diff bushings as well?
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Yes, changing the differential bushings to solid will increase some noise, but not "vibration" or "harshness". There is no reason for vibration to increase as the differential that has been unitized is not vibrating, unless something is out of balancing with the half shafts or propeller shaft itself creating harmonic vibration.
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12-26-2013, 12:56 PM | #36 | |
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do you do these for the e46 m3 / z4m platform.
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I will be releasing E46 M3 S/F mounts in a similar fashion as the E9x units as well as I have been seeing demand for solid units over the urethane parts.
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12-26-2013, 01:29 PM | #39 |
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thankyou
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12-27-2013, 08:01 PM | #40 | |
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Keep in mind the aluminum bushes hold the subframe the same as the stock rubber bushes. The difference is that the aluminum bushes will not wear over time and allow the subframe movement you are concerned about.
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What are your thoughts on changing the subframe bushings but keeping the stock differential bushing intact for street driving? Any increase in noise, especially a whine, is going to be off-putting.
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One of my customers, Pertplus opted for this route, and much like you, he wanted the car to be setup correctly, perform well and provide rear end stability without NVH as the car is only street driven. The sub-frame bushings provide the following benefits: - zero deflection of the frame - zero possibility of tearing the mounts - maintains alignment geometry, since the frame cannot shift laterally or longitudinally. - increased traction - more power applied to the wheels (energy transfer efficiency is increased) - drastically reduced wheel hop (wheel hop can be eliminated when combined with the differential bushings as well as changing out the lower control arm bushings)
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http://www.dinancars.com/products/M-...oball-Kit.aspx Also, out of curiosity, you talked about the drawbacks of replacing the differential bushings, but what are the benefits of doing so for a DCT car? The benefits of the subframe bushings seem obvious to me, but what should we be looking for with the differential bushings? |
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