Cadillac prices 2009 CTS-V from $59,995:

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by Heat00

so why didn't all of you buy caddys?

That's it? That's all you've got?

So instead of thanking us for the information, or apologizing for unfair and ignorant bashing on one of the serious players in the segment, you turn smartass?

Are you posting from a dorm room, or on mommy's computer at home.

[Heat00]

I don't have to do anything!

I am 36 and never went to college so I can't speak of a Dormroom; however here I am in my own house that I own in sunny south florida and on my own computer, while your up in shitty ass lancaster pa, enjoy.

Oh wait, I see now, in your signature.... an ACURA TL???

so you are not even qualified to speak about the M3... while I drive the car everyday, you can give more info about it in comparison to another car while you don't own either one !!!

so I need to thank you for information about a car that I own and drive everyday while you have no clue! Have you ever seen an M3?

[Heat00]

ok, maybe I shouldn't have been so harsh in response above, but I'm not erasing it as you are out of line my friend.

I should be able to state my opinions and that is mostly what it was.....especially in an M3 forum.

[Irb Digital]

I live in Florida, own my own house, and type on my own computer. That doesn't change the fact that everything bruce said is correct. I wonder how many CTS's you test drove. I know I did.....I drove the non V. Interior was nice, on par with the 3 series. I just wasn't impressed with the 300 DI motor. Nice power, but the car overall didn't have the feel of a sports car, similar to the 335i that I drove. I would give the edge to the 335i in overall feel. But both were very bland when relaying information and emotion.

Oh and the reason I didn't buy a CTS-V? It wasn't out yet.

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by Heat00

ok, maybe I shouldn't have been so harsh in response above, but I'm not erasing it as you are out of line my friend.

I should be able to state my opinions and that is mostly what it was.....especially in an M3 forum.

You stated your opinions, and I posted rebuttal opinions (based mostly on experience), so how exactly was that out of line?

Instead of saying something like "The M3 interior is better because...", or "The M3 has lapped such and such a track quicker than the CTS-V by N seconds...", or something else to defend or bolster your opinion, you suggest anyone who gives props to the CTS-V needs to buy one?

With that level of attack, dorm room came to mind.

Oh, and by the way, I have a couple of hours in an M3, more than half of that time bashing on it, and about half that in the Cadillac. Completely different cars that drive completely differently. The CTS-V is more of a cruiser, but I must say I was completely astounded by how it could lunge and pounce for such a big and luxurious machine.

So, can you actually defend your opinions? Anything on "...and it does beat the caddy on the track!!", for instance?

Bruce

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Heat00

I don't have to do anything!

I am 36 and never went to college so I can't speak of a Dormroom; however here I am in my own house that I own in sunny south florida and on my own computer, while your up in shitty ass lancaster pa, enjoy.

Oh wait, I see now, in your signature.... an ACURA TL???

so you are not even qualified to speak about the M3... while I drive the car everyday, you can give more info about it in comparison to another car while you don't own either one !!!

so I need to thank you for information about a car that I own and drive everyday while you have no clue! Have you ever seen an M3?

My god, get real, since when do you have to own the car to speak intelligently about it? Since when does what you own or drive determine your credibility? I'll go even further than Bruce and claim you can say quite a lot about a car just from carefully examining its specifications and test results. Based on factual correctness Bruce seem infinitely more qualified to speak about both cars.

Your attitude needs a serious readjustment.

[wuyichao]

stop hating, start loving.

M3, CTS-V, they are all great cars but in different characteristics.

No need to bash one another.

[Heat00]

wow, all I inteded to do was make a simple joke with my statement above of "why don't you all just buy a caddy"... and somehow I got personal attacks back acusing me of working on Mommy's computer and living in a dormroom???
that's all. No big deal, I'm done here so don't worry

[stevehifi]

I think you guys should stop comparing internet and magazine reviews and just go drive both cars M3/CTS-V.

The V has some serious hardware and IS a competitor to the M3/M5. It may not come from the same racing roots as the M camp, but it does has some impressive features that make it a contender.

This is from a guy who has an M3 and has had his fair share of performance cars and track events.

Do you really think the demographic this car fits (established professional /family man) will go to the track every weekend ? Probably not, if they're lucky they'll do one or two track days a year, and barely unlock the potential of the car.

Again stop whining and complaining and go test drive the cars. Buy the one that you like and enjoy it.

Steve

[matt beard]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Holy bejesuts batman.



They are coming out with a CTS-V coupe...



I think if all you M3's start running now, it will at least give you a chance.

Yeh but the looks of it make the v-sedan look like a piece of art.

[ScottyGams]

^ yeah, I cannot remember the last time I saw a worse looking coupe...

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by matt beard

Yeh but the looks of it make the v-sedan look like a piece of art.

Well as they say, if we all had the same tastes, we'd all be married to the same person and bet on the same horse.

In person, the coupe looks pretty much like art to me. I love it.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

In person, the coupe looks pretty much like art to me. I love it.

Cadillac deserves credit for taking a position on aesthetics with these cars. They might not be for everyone, but I'd say that they look novel in an American way.

[CraZee M3]

Originally Posted by TLud

Yes, the last generation CTS-V simply fell apart. I drove one with only 10k miles on it. The car was a rattle trap, and the ride was very "crashy." It felt like it had over 100k miles. Hopefully, this has improved significantly.

must of driven one fked up car.

[CraZee M3]

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

At a guess, the drivetrain will be bulletproof (as Vettes have been for years), and as for fit and finish (both interior and exterior), my opinion is that any CTS matches up very well with BMWs. Of course, BMWs aren't necessarily paragons in this regard, but they're good enough.

Bruce

agreed.

its sad to see so many bimmer bubble owners.
I got a bimmer and a zo6. I respect both cars, the ones that talk shit about em are the ones that hate anything they dont own. Respect all cars for what they are..

I would never beat on my Bimmer the way I beat on my GM product, these cars were built to take beatings.

The new V is no joke.

[CraZee M3]

to furthermore comment on the older caddy V hate with the ls6...

it had wheelHOP that was it... saying its not reliable cause of that is just funny.

e46 m3 motors blew up STOCK, what did you guys call that one?

[mPlasticDesign]

Originally Posted by swamp2

My god, get real, since when do you have to own the car to speak intelligently about it? Since when does what you own or drive determine your credibility? I'll go even further than Bruce and claim you can say quite a lot about a car just from carefully examining its specifications and test results. Based on factual correctness Bruce seem infinitely more qualified to speak about both cars.

Your attitude needs a serious readjustment.

I totally agree. I don't have to own the car to know if it's fast or not. If Caddilac gets a driver, who is more than likey better than me, to scoot the V around the ring in the sub 8's, thats seriously fast and good enough for me. Not just a cruiser anymore, is it?

[96OCTNE]

My M3 is the best thing since Peanut Butter with salmonella. I haven't driven the CTS-V but I've peep'd the specs. Not big on the looks but the power is there... I want to test drive it. I wouldn't mind having both in my driveway.. hehe.

[Irb Digital]

Originally Posted by GatorBlue371

Well, if you guys have M3's all you'll have to worry about is the back end.

first i was like
then i was like

[DakarE36]

Originally Posted by Heat00

so why didn't all of you buy caddys?

I, for one did.

My CTS-V is on order.
woot. It was a hard choice, because it came down to the wire between the m3 and CTS-V and they are both so great, i finally resolved it by thinking its impossible to go wrong either way, so why not try out the one with 556 horsepower

[Heat00]

Originally Posted by DakarE36

I, for one did.

My CTS-V is on order.
woot. It was a hard choice, because it came down to the wire between the m3 and CTS-V and they are both so great, i finally resolved it by thinking its impossible to go wrong either way, so why not try out the one with 556 horsepower

nice, congrats!
I drove the non V and didn't like it but still a nice car. I was not "bashing" it by any means earlier and please post after some time in the new ride!

[DakarE36]

Originally Posted by Heat00

nice, congrats!
I drove the non V and didn't like it but still a nice car. I was not "bashing" it by any means earlier and please post after some time in the new ride!

Can do! Just have to wait another 6 weeks for it to be delivered... i wish i had a time machine.