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My 60-130s were slower with the 5w40 given close to the same temp, humidity, etc. I also noticed higher oil temps (+10 degrees) when compared to the 5w30. I'm assuming that the thicker oil was slowing down flow going through the cooler. Just an assumption. I'm no oil expert, but as far as the high antiwear properties, I believe that the Mobil1 TD 5w40 would be a contender in oil substitutions for the S65.
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True, some testing was done (on different engines obviously) on Bob is the Oil Guy and 2% hp difference given the kind of 2 level changes in viscosity we're talking about (10w-60 to 0w-40). Wouldn't be surprised if worth 5-8 bhp on our cars.
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Great news financially with the 5w-30 for interim oil changes. I just called my local BMW dealer, shot them the link (http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte...ngineOils.aspx), and they said they could do it for $97.50. Heck yeah!
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Just called Motul... after they spoke with HQ in France... they recommended 300V 10w40 or 5w40
They said technically the 8100 5w40 is BMW LL01 approved and therefore won't void warranty however the 300V will offer improved protection especially around the rod bearings Between the 300V 10w40 and 5w40 they recommended 10w40 since it will stand up to longer oil change intervals however 5w40 will have better flow at start up |
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Since everyone is throwing different oils into the thread, I'm wondering if anyone has considered the Mobil 1 5W-50 oil? The same oil they use in the Lexus LFA. One of the engine builders mentioned it over at M5Board. It isn't LL-01 approved though, but it is approved for BMW diesels? lol. I'm assuming without the particulate filter.
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Why were some ppl saying that 0w40 wasnt as good on the track? Im assuming that ppl were thinking that it would be too thin for protection under hotter temps but my thinking is that this oil is a better protectant under harsher conditions. I will give it a go. |
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Kawasaki tested the oil up to 230 I think and said the pressure was fine at that point. You'd have to ask him. Like I said, I've beaten mine pretty good and the 0W40 doesn't act any different than the 10W60 did IMO.
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Does oil temp not get hotter than 230F at the track? Granted the needle doesnt move much but is that even accurate? |
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You'd have to ask Kawasaki yourself. I don't think it'd be a problem. I know in my case, M1 is more than adequate for the temps I see.
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Start getting down to 20psi and it starts getting skechy, the bulk of that type of damage comes from exiting the track and lugging the motor back to the pits.
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hmm, but now that BMW is coming out with the 5-30w oil recommendation, can we assume that running the M1 0-40w should no longer be a concern? The other question that I have is for folks that already have a high copper/lead count from their oil analysis, would switching to the thinner oil at this point be potentially more harmful than good? I am thinking that since the bearing is already worn to the copper, this would indicate a bigger gap/clearance between the bearing and journal. Switching to a thinner oil at this point would have a higher likelihood of a sudden lost of oil pressure due to too much clearance? Can the expert chime in on this? |
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Here is a list of other LL-01 rated oils that I could find (many are not in the US market)
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Tradename-------------Viscosity----------Manufacturer/Supplier ADDINOL Super power MV 0537 SAE 5W-30 Addinol Lube Oil GmbH Agip Formula LL B 01 SAE 0W-30 ENI S.p.A.Refining and Marketing Division Agip Sint 2000 Evolution SAE 5W-40 ENI S.p.A.Refining and Marketing Division Agip TECSINT SL SAE 5W-40 ENI S.p.A.Refining and Marketing Division Aral SuperTronic SAE 5W-30 Aral AXCL S-Class Motor Oil SAE 0W-30 AXCL Gulf FZE Visco 7000 SAE 0W-40 BP Oil International BP Visco 7000 Special SAE 0W-30 BP Oil International BP Visco 7000 SAE 0W-40 BP Oil International SBS 5.0 "Longlife-01" BMW AG - TIS 26.12.2004 21:36Formula SLX LL01 SAE 0W-30 Castrol Limited Castrol Formula SLX Turbo Diesel SAE 0W-30 Castrol Limited Castrol Formula RS SAE 0W-40 Castrol Limited Power and Protection Castrol Syntec SAE 0W-30 Castrol Limited Castrol Super Racing 0W-40 SAE Castrol Limited Castrol TXT Softec LL01 SAE 5W-30 Castrol Limited Cepsa Star Mega Synthetic SAE 0W-30 Cepsa Lubricantes S.A. Elf Excellium LDX SAE 0W-30 Total Formula Ultra AB SAE 5W-30 Shell International Petroleum Company Gulf Formula TLX SAE 0W-30 Total Havoline Synthetic BM SAE 0W-30 Texaco Igol Process Compact P SAE 5W-30 Igol France S.A. Jet Top Level SAE 0W-40 ConocoPhillips GmbH Labo RC SAE 0W-30 Fuchs Labo S.A. Liqui Moly Longlife High Tech SAE 5W-30 Liqui Moly megol Motorenöl New Generation SAE 5W-30 Meguin GmbH Mobil 1 SAE 0W-40 ExxonMobil Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel SAE 0W-40 ExxonMobil Motorex Profile B-XL SAE 0W-30 Bucher AG Motorex Select SP-X SAE 5W-30 Bucher AG Motul Specific LL-01 SAE 5W-30 Motul S.A: OMV full syn plus SAE 5W-30 MV AG Pennzoil European Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30 Pennzoil Quaker State Pentospeed 0W-30 VS* SAE 0W-30 Deutsche Pentosin-Werke Petronas Syntium 3000 LL SAE 5W-30 Petronas Q8 Formula Special SAE 0W-30 Kuwait Petroleum Quaker State EU Formula Ultra SAE 5W-30 Pennzoil Quaker State Satoil LazerWay B SAE 5W-30 Svenska Statoil AB Shell Helix Ultra AB SAE 5W-30 Shell International Petroleum Company Titan Supersyn SL SAE 0W-30 Fuchs Petrolub AG Valvoline SynPower MXL SAE 0W-30 Valvoline Veedol Powertron LL01 SAE 5W-30 Veedol International Veedol Syntron SAE 0W-30 Veedol International Wintershall VIVA 1 Longlife SAE 5W-30 SRS Schmierstoff Vertrieb GmbH Yacco VX 1600 SAE 5W-30 Yacco S.A.S.
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Just bought 2 5-qt jugs of Mobil 1 0w-40 European Car Formula at Walmart for like $25 each. Now it's sitting next to the 9 qts of Castrol 5w-30 I originally bought until we can reach a consensus (thanks BMW) on which one goes in the M3 with 15000 miles on it.
The 0w-40 is LL-01 approved. The 5w-30 that BMW recommends is not. It's LL-04.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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