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06-07-2013, 12:53 AM | #45 | |
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If I had known, I would have had the engine pulled out earlier to have the coated bearings installed.
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I'm sorry OP. But the last think you guys should be telling him or anyone else for this matter is to commit fraud.
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06-07-2013, 06:52 AM | #47 | |
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if you go to BMW with a blown engine and you want a new one, they will totally check your ECU etc. and they will find out that somethings wrong. |
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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06-07-2013, 09:39 AM | #51 | |
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06-07-2013, 09:40 AM | #52 |
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i looked at ess's site,and it says the 650 supercharger kit includes and requires high performance replacemant rod bearings-
http://www.esstuning.com/products/E9...er-System.html do you know if your car had them? sorry this happened to you. |
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06-07-2013, 10:03 AM | #54 | |
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Especially after plastering it all over a well known BMW forum. Best chance would have been to quietly go to BMW with your issue and not draw all this attention to your situation.
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+1 would have been best to post after the fact or not at all...
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06-07-2013, 10:15 AM | #56 |
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Seems draconian practically speaking. What would be the damages if found "liable" for fraud other than getting warranty denied? The risk of a countersuit (for bad bearings) for BMW far outweighs any suit trying to extract a nominal amount from one person (if even that). Would think that any "fraud" would only be remedied by warranty denial from BMW's perspective.
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06-07-2013, 10:25 AM | #57 |
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I think if one views the warranty as an insurance policy, then trying to make a claim under false pretenses seems fraudish. That warranty is not free. We pay for it somewhere in our purchase price.
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06-07-2013, 10:45 AM | #59 |
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Read the fine print of your warranty. With GM, even a "tune" nullifies the 5yr/100k warranty. This isn't a case where the Mag/moss aftermarket part exemption could apply (aftermarket replacement parts do not automatically nullify a warranty).
Could be a rod bearing, or a failed piston, who knows. |
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It is an insurance policy. Like any insurance policy, a breach of performance of an agreement on part of one party, in this case the vehicle owner (modding engine esp supercharger) results in denial of the claim. That's the remedy for what people like to keep referring to here as "fraud" or "fraudish".
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Agreed. In this case the warranty would be denied and end of story. No fraud claims, no lawsuit, no BMW going after you, etc.
In a perverse way, if BMW actually believed the rod bearings were an issue/defect (and they would not disclose this to the public if in their mind the issue is in 'insuffient numbers') you may be surprised on what may actually get covered if escalated beyond the dealership level. Even the threat of discovery of an issue where there is sufficient evidence could be used as ammunition by other parties not runing S/C's and having issues with stock engines beyond the warranty period. With large corporations is much more than the corporation vs "one guy who put on a supercharger" individual battle. If they're smart about this stuff, they would take this bigger picture into account in their decision making. Quote:
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I just recently upgraded to the 650 kit from 600.
I did not get the bearing upgrade that ESS is now including in the new kits. Engine is toast, here is a photo from ACM |
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You stick on a supercharger, up the power by 50% (and its not exactly a mildly tuned engine in the first place) and people wonder why you have bearing problems?
And what is with the comments about non-S/C engines being prone to bearing failure? This has to be one of the most reliable M engines ever made... |
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Do some reading; apparently some N/A stock cars have had spun bearings. People now all think they're doomed Remember folks, this forum is a VERY smal sliver of M3 population and no one comes onto a forum stating, "hey my car runs great!", it's always only the negative things. That being said, I still don't think this warrants any kind of concern ala S54 and e46 m3 bearing issues. And yes, I do believe a SC sped up or was def a contributing factor to a failure. Anyone who says otherwise is straight foolish. You're creating much greated cylinder pressures in positive displacement. this car was never intended being a High compression motor for boost. |
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