C63 vs m4

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by odiesback

Kinda weak and biased review... dude complained so much about the exhaust tone, we get it! it's a turbo inline 6 against a NA V8, does he know that?

The most interesting part of his review, when he says how bad the throttle response is on the M4 but you get 120 ft lbs instead.

I guess there really is no such thing as a free lunch.

[tinman831]

In the video, the brake discs are cracked like crazy. Is that normal? You can see it at 2:55

[JRV]

I have a feeling the Merc twin turbo V8 will sound almost or just as menacing as the previous model referencing the spy clips.
How in the world does GM produce a V8 that gets 28 mpg? Competitors should take note or Is it really about lowering cylinder and displacement count in Europe now?

[Z K]

Originally Posted by FormulaMMM

Truth is this new turbo engine probably addresses the majority of buyers more than the S65 did. Maybe not the majority of us forum dwellers and enthusiasts, but prospective buyers. It's more stunning in the looks department, modern gadgetry, and the speed sensation arrives more immediately. I remember when the E9X first came out and guys at the dealer told me that test drivers were often more impressed with the 335 than M3. They revved both to 5k rpm.

I can agree with that. I was more impressed with the 335i than the M3 when you drive around town and do things you normally do in a test drive. The low end torque and power is addicting.

The M3 is something that feels so much better when you understand the powerband and take it out for laps on a track. Unfortunately not many people do that or understand that.

[JRV]

Originally Posted by Z K

I can agree with that. I was more impressed with the 335i than the M3 when you drive around town and do things you normally do in a test drive. The low end torque and power is addicting.

The M3 is something that feels so much better when you understand the powerband and take it out for laps on a track. Unfortunately not many people do that or understand that.

What you both said was 100% true for me. I had a 335i and test drove the M3 and was scratching my head thinking the 335i was easier to drive. I then realized I had to stop driving it like the 335i and pushed the RPMs. It was like a light bulb turned on.

[Ezio]

there are days when i come home. when i say to my self maybe i am the one whos fuked up not liking these powerful trubo engines. then when i sit down on my couch, open my latop to read the forums. when i find professional car reviewers say things that i also feel. i then feel i am not fuked up after all. just seeing a about to be last gen C63 AMG being loved more than the newest M3. it really says somthing about this era we are entering. it sucks

[phrozen06]

Well..........if I want another V8 coupe, I'll just get an M6. They'll be priced competitively when the leases are up in a few years. At least bmw still makes production V8's.

[MrPrena]

I would like to see w205 C63 AMG VS M4/3 F3x

[socalm3lover]

Originally Posted by JRV

I have a feeling the Merc twin turbo V8 will sound almost or just as menacing as the previous model referencing the spy clips.
How in the world does GM produce a V8 that gets 28 mpg? Competitors should take note or Is it really about lowering cylinder and displacement count in Europe now?

They get 28 mpg by gearing it to run 1400 rpm at freeway speeds. You downshift if you want any acceleration. The corvettes also make a lot more torque with engines that are 100-200 cubic inches larger, so the rpm is not as critical.

John

[Antonio1988]

Videos like this are simply confirming what most of the forum going M owners were already growing weary of. I've already driven a 435 with all bolt ons and I cannot see how this car will be monumentally different. This is really the nail in the coffin and I will be keeping my E92 M3 until my warranty runs out and then paying a visit to my friends over at AA :-)

[swanson]

Originally Posted by socalm3lover

They get 28 mpg by gearing it to run 1400 rpm at freeway speeds. You downshift if you want any acceleration. The corvettes also make a lot more torque with engines that are 100-200 cubic inches larger, so the rpm is not as critical.

John

Yep. I used to cruise at 80 on the highway while only turning 1600RPM in 6th gear in my Z06. I used regularly see 28+MPG. What a car that was.

[Kung Fu English]

I think the turbo will be more fun at low speeds around town while giving up the same things he said. You only need to be at 3-5k to enjoy the turbo thrust instead of 5-8k like in the E92. It's slower at that range, but it feels faster due to the turbo kick.

Track performance will overall be similar in numbers but maybe not as fun to some.

This is a plus/minus situation. Good for some and not as good for others.

[M3-S65]

Originally Posted by Ezio

there are days when i come home. when i say to my self maybe i am the one whos fuked up not liking these powerful trubo engines. then when i sit down on my couch, open my latop to read the forums. when i find professional car reviewers say things that i also feel. i then feel i am not fuked up after all. just seeing a about to be last gen C63 AMG being loved more than the newest M3. it really says somthing about this era we are entering. it sucks

The big V8 is kinda like when Nirvana and the alternative groups died off and now all we have is pop crap....(pop being turbos..lol) ...at least there is still Chevelle......

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

The big V8 is kinda like when Nirvana and the alternative groups died off and now all we have is pop crap....(pop being turbos..lol) ...at least there is still Chevelle......

lol, I like your comparison, really true, just like pop music, the new Ms are made to attract a wider audience!

[NashvegasR]

Dumb question (maybe). Does the M4 have "M" button that sharpens up throttle response? If so -- I think it might fix his "throttle response" comment. I know I felt the exact same way about my M3 until I figured out what the "power" and "M" buttons did.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by NashvegasR

Dumb question (maybe). Does the M4 have "M" button that sharpens up throttle response? If so -- I think it might fix his "throttle response" comment. I know I felt the exact same way about my M3 until I figured out what the "power" and "M" buttons did.

there are different settings. and BELIEVE me these tests are in the highest settings. its normal for a turbo to not have the throttle response that a N/A engine has.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by NashvegasR

Dumb question (maybe). Does the M4 have "M" button that sharpens up throttle response? If so -- I think it might fix his "throttle response" comment. I know I felt the exact same way about my M3 until I figured out what the "power" and "M" buttons did.

I think what he meant about the throttle response was that the S55 does'nt react as sharply as the S65 to throttle inputs because of the lag(as tiny as it may be) the turbos creates!

[klammer]

Originally Posted by M3-S65

Wait ...the M4 sounds like this....

I used to own a Dodge SRT4 even this POS car that cost around 12k now....sounds better STOCK than the new M4...!!!

It's funny cause it's true

[Kurt_OH]

It's not that the new M is bad. It's just no longer special. It's only a souped up 335i.

What drew me to M was how special they were. The sound and unique high Rev and instantaneous, almost telepathic throttle response. This is what separated them from the crowd. Clearly they're more comfortable joining the crowd. The special is gone and I'm gone with it. I'll keep my E90 until it must go, then find something else special.

[lsmkr01]

Never thought I'd see the day

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

Well there's no doubt the S65 is a filthy, fuel gulping pig. It's magnificent and I love it, and no way considering a new M3/4. That turbo truck motor holds no appeal to me.

Throttle response and sound are important to me; they play a significant role in my enjoying the car on the street and track.

Right on, last thing I look at when I buy a performance vehicle is fuel economy.

Originally Posted by JRV

I have a feeling the Merc twin turbo V8 will sound almost or just as menacing as the previous model referencing the spy clips.
How in the world does GM produce a V8 that gets 28 mpg? Competitors should take note or Is it really about lowering cylinder and displacement count in Europe now?

The new GM tech is to shut down half the motor when you're cruising. Its been around a while. That and keep the damn car light.

Originally Posted by Kurt_OH

It's not that the new M is bad. It's just no longer special. It's only a souped up 335i.

What drew me to M was how special they were. The sound and unique high Rev and instantaneous, almost telepathic throttle response. This is what separated them from the crowd. Clearly they're more comfortable joining the crowd. The special is gone and I'm gone with it. I'll keep my E90 until it must go, then find something else special.

I prefer an N/A motor too, but the M's are still pretty special, they have a ton of goodies that the 335 doesn't, including CF parts, a different motor, transmission and suspension

[///M///]

I just don't dig the front end of the newer BMW's. I know they did this to comply with some euro safety regulations but I can't get over that dipping hood. Hate to say this but in this video, the C63 is way sharper looking than the M4.