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What is the point for a customer to take a car to authorised dealer to get it fixed and maintained if they won't take care of it in case of a major failure like this on a stock car. I think if OP didn't have 3rd party maintenance insurance it could be different. Because they know you are their problem. They will do anything to avoid doing the right thing until they are cornered. I can't say what I would do but I wouldn't accept a used engine probably. If you have the 'We would help if you original owner' in some sort of written form I would definitely use it against them. That's the key here. I hope this ends the best way possible and sooner than later. |
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05-19-2015, 01:13 PM | #399 |
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Seems like the logical thing would be to run the car with the replacement engine with its warranty as is for a year. Then replace the bearings if you still owned the car and still wanted to.
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Like Philippe said, this that great German lottery. That's why I will hang on to my car as long as possible because I owned it from new. Buying this car second hand is not an option for me especially for /// cars. OP said that the car was never tracked ... what's proof? I have done track events, at least a couple over the eight years of ownership, but no one will know it, if I don't disclose. Just like the extended warranty on cars, the car adverts are not worth the space or paper they are written on. My 2c.
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I know... I know... I get it... But I don't like it... There's just no chivalry anymore in today's auto manufacturers... Every E92 M3 on the road is an advertisement of BMW's craftsmanship and engineering; aren't we all customers- even for those of us who did not buy our cars from the factory... What ever happened brand loyalty here? I may not be the first owner who financed or leased a $74k M3 for 2-5 years, but I am the guy who shelled out $37k cash as a second owner so that the first owner could buy the new F80 M4... I did the research before I bought this car and considered the likelihood that I would get a bearing failure to be very low... Not the case... I am also seeing the number of failures rapidly rise as these engines crest into the 50-100k mile range; albeit the number of failures are still in the 1-2 % range- but growing fast... I mean if BMW wants to build M cars that barely last through the warranty period, then what incentive does that give people to become first owners again... The rod bearing dilemma goes much further than 1st owners... If the car isn't worth anything substantial by the time its paid off (because it has a bad reputation), then it is most likely going to detour customers from coming back to by another new M car... Each day on the commute to work, I can count at least 5-6 or more sometimes E36 & E46 M3's on the road... I live in Pensacola, FL a small beach town so there are even fewer here, and I still see a ton of them... E46 & E36 M3's are everywhere and running strong, many of them with a shitload of miles on them. They are like the "honda accord" of supercars now! In my opinion well built cars.. WTF happened! I hope BMW "M" get's there shit together because the last 10 years of production has just simply tarnished their reputation with me... |
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05-19-2015, 03:55 PM | #403 | |
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The rod bearing issues on the S65 have me concerned too, even though I have one of the later E90M3s. This seems so hauntingly familiar to the S54, not to mention the nikasil issues of the early 3.0 and 4.0 V-8's from the mid-1990's (yep, had a 1994 530i (5-speed manual, of course) with the nikasil issue... I'm disappointed BMW hasn't offered a 6yr, 100k warranty on our engines given the failure rates seen. It'd be the decent thing to do...
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You better hope if/when the bearing failure happens it doesn't seize up your engine while you're traveling speeds of > 60 mph. I'm guessing your extended warranty does not extend to you
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Sandy Sansing BMW called me this afternoon and told me that they are trying to negotiate with my warranty company on a lower price now for a new engine... They have dropped their price for the parts down to $15k and they are going to try to present a substantially lower price in labor to see if they can get the warranty company to agree... Their original parts price was $20k... What is the standard labor hours for an engine swap? 20-25? I think their labor rates are $90 per hour... |
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These are a completely new bearing designed by Clevite. They are a very nice lead-copper design with Calico coating. According to VAC, they maintain factory clearance AFTER the coating process. I've already measured them and found they slightly increase the clearance after the coating. Until the new Clevite extra clearance bearings are available, this what I would be using, even over WPC.
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The warranty company had originally agreed to spend a total of $15,885, which included the used engine (warranty company will provide engine) plus Sandy Sansing BMW's labor cost to swap everything...
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Before I made enough money to buy European sport cars, I used to build race cars out of Mazda Miatas... Typically big turbo on top of built motors.. Anyways, I always used car-part.com to find my engines... Salvage/parts exchange site... I was looking on there just to get an idea of used s65 engines, and most of the lower mileage engines were $10-12k... Now I am thinking that warranty companies must have better connections in engine suppliers than the average joe? |
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