Supercharged e90 M3 Failure

[alpine335i]

Originally Posted by Darth One

i lost track of the number of pissing matches in this thread

Why can't everyone just get along!

[Singletrack]

Here's my high level summary:

-Engine blew over a year ago, Jordan resolved the issue with AA then (buy back on kit; owner covers motor). No evidence released at that time suggesting root cause of failure. Now he is not satisfied with the deal and wants more money.
-He contacted them and threatened to take the issue to the boards.
-He has now STATED that the SC caused his motor to fail. His evidence is that the valves didn't contact the pistons (largely irrelevant on this motor) and that he "feels" that they could have been too aggressive with their tune. No proof, "feels". He also wants to know how many motors have failed with the AA kit.
-Oh he also admits to returning his car to stock and attempting to conceal the fact that he had a SC installed on the car and get the dealer to warranty the motor. But his defense is that someone, who he will not name at AA, told him to do this.
-AA has produced evidence from the shadow area of the ECU showing that Jordan over-reved the engine at a mileage after the car had the SC installed. Jordan denies ever doing this.

...there are other details I'm omitting, but that is the gist of it.

So in other words, Jordan has produced zilch to support his argument. There are laws for a reason - you can't just go around saying whatever the hell you want about people. Likewise, truth is an absolute defense. Unfortunately, Jordan has already admitted to being dishonest with the dealer, so there is really no way to trust anything he says. All the more reason why we actually need real facts. If I were AA personally, I would be speaking to an attorney/police about libel and blackmail.

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Totally agree with this!

Same here. Plus after his engine failure he installed a "used" AA SC on a customer's car, a SC he feels is poorly engineered, has insufficient R&D, and is badly tuned - just doesn't make sense even if he told his customer "what might happen"

[Jaypod]

Originally Posted by dbarnes

Same here. Plus after his engine failure he installed a "used" AA SC on a customer's car, a SC he feels is poorly engineered, has insufficient R&D, and is badly tuned - just doesn't make sense even if he told his customer "what might happen"

I am sure he stands behind his work and if the engine fails he will cover the cost of the new engine being he installed it - I mean he should have the same expectations for his customers.

[BH_Fanaticos77]

This has been one of the best treads in a while and after spending all this time reading it, I think we all, expect maybe OP and/or AA, want to know what really happened to his motor, what actually cause the failure.

Can't wait for Mike to get the data from OP

[OC ///M]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Here's my high level summary:

-Engine blew over a year ago, Jordan resolved the issue with AA then (buy back on kit; owner covers motor). No evidence released at that time suggesting root cause of failure. Now he is not satisfied with the deal and wants more money.
-He contacted them and threatened to take the issue to the boards.
-He has now STATED that the SC caused his motor to fail. His evidence is that the valves didn't contact the pistons (largely irrelevant on this motor) and that he "feels" that they could have been too aggressive with their tune. No proof, "feels". He also wants to know how many motors have failed with the AA kit.
-Oh he also admits to returning his car to stock and attempting to conceal the fact that he had a SC installed on the car and get the dealer to warranty the motor. But his defense is that someone, who he will not name at AA, told him to do this.


-AA has produced evidence from the shadow area of the ECU showing that Jordan over-reved the engine at a mileage after the car had the SC installed. Jordan denies ever doing this.

...there are other details I'm omitting, but that is the gist of it.

So in other words, Jordan has produced zilch to support his argument. There are laws for a reason - you can't just go around saying whatever the hell you want about people. Likewise, truth is an absolute defense. Unfortunately, Jordan has already admitted to being dishonest with the dealer, so there is really no way to trust anything he says. All the more reason why we actually need real facts. If I were AA personally, I would be speaking to an attorney/police about libel and blackmail.

I agree with this synopsis and look forward to the supplemental after "3rd party testing".

[US///M3]

Maybe over time,some crankshafts are wearin out unevenly makin them out of balance on some engines in the same area causing the same rod to fail. A crankshaft out of balance is more likely to cause an engine failure at high rpm.

BMW has replaced a lot of crankshafts already...

[m33]

Originally Posted by LostM

Haha, yes look at the track record. Slowest and most expensive even with the higher rev limts..

Oh and im not applauding or attacking any kit, im just spreading factual information for the community..

How is it the slowest ? a 6speed ESS kit trailed a AA dct my 1pmh and you say its the slowest ?

A ESS dct trapped 130 and clocked a 6.8 60-130 in the worst of the worst conditions in the US and you say its the slowest ?

A ESS 535 kit trailed AA's best kit behind by 1mph and its the slowest

Dude i cant wait until you get your car at least you will have some sort of ground to speak on considering you don't own a blown M3 yet you down talk one of the top kits

Lets all be adults about this

[Raptor251]

Originally Posted by m33

How is it the slowest ? a 6speed ESS kit trailed a AA dct my 1pmh and you say its the slowest ?

A ESS dct trapped 130 and clocked a 6.8 60-130 in the worst of the worst conditions in the US and you say its the slowest ?

A ESS 535 kit trailed AA's best kit behind by 1mph and its the slowest

Dude i cant wait until you get your car at least you will have some sort of ground to speak on considering you don't own a blown M3 yet you down talk one of the top kits

Lets all be adults about this

M33- Just be happy with the fact that you know whats best...dont feed the trolls!!

[M3SQRD]

Originally Posted by tightie

Leave it to a expert? Come on Benvo. Your a tuner now? Last time I checked you were just a file loader for PC and now PC can't do tunes in the states anymore.. Sounds like you just want a free read of a Active car.

Just saying buddy.

The DME has already been flashed back to stock so how is he going to get a free read of an Active car?

The point to the read is to perform an independent read of the freeze-frame data stored in the OP's DME to determine if the data matches the freeze-frame data AA have already posted in this thread.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by tightie

Leave it to a expert? Come on Benvo. Your a tuner now? Last time I checked you were just a file loader for PC and now PC can't do tunes in the states anymore.. Sounds like you just want a free read of a Active car. Just saying buddy.

+1001

Reading some of the comments that guy had on the wheels and tire threads I wonder if he can even drive let alone tune a car.

[m33]

Originally Posted by Raptor251

M33- Just be happy with the fact that you know whats best...dont feed the trolls!!

i got something juicy in the works

[GOVCO]

Damn....here comes shome more drama in the LBC. I often wonder, would people talk the same if we were out at a bar. Probably not, unless they want a upside the head. I come on to these forums to learn about possible mods for my car, feedback, etc., not to rehash school yard drama. C'mon folks, chil the f out.

[alpine335i]

Someone should make this into a movie.

www.xtranormal.com

[MPoweredAuto]

Data provided by AA shows top speed recorded 175mph.

Why did BMW say their computers pulled a top speed of 198mph?

I know it has spun close to 200mph before, so I am anxious to see what Mike Benvo can pull from the DME.

[The Flying Scotsman]

Do I smell a hint of black-mail from the OP?

Sounds like someone wasn't too happy when things didn't go their way, and instead of accepting responsibility for his actions, he decide's to try and switch the blame to the company who have helped him for so many years.

There is no proof of the motor detonating because of the work that Active did to the car. 2008 years have a history of issues even when running with a stock tune. When you add forced induction to a car you will always increase the chance for something to go wrong mechanically to the car.

I have been a customer of active for the last 7 years and have never been treated in any way that I would not be expected.

Why did you wait so long to post your accusations? Maybe it's because you have tried to get your way and have finally realized that a reputable company will not pay for your mistake. Either way, you are at fault. You made the decision to mod your car, so please don't let your ego get the best of you!

Active have done more than enough by refunding you some of the money that you spent when you decided to supercharge your car which is way more than they needed to. Active run a business, not a charity.

People that run their mouth are normally full of it......

Do you really think that you are trying to help people by starting this post or trying to ruin a companies reputation?

Stop before you make yourself look even more stupid!!!

[The Flying Scotsman]

Originally Posted by StylePoints

and why are you defending AA? Because they are your buddies? One can accuse and one can defend. He is accusing just like you are defending. Except you don't know shit.

Lol!

It wouldn't matter who's side I was on because in this situation the facts are on the table and the tuner was not responsible.

Even if there was another company involved, like ESS or Gintani, I would like favor the tuner because of the facts given.

[Jason]

Thread cleaned up. No substantive/technical/constructive comments are being removed.

But, those posts which contribute nothing to the thread but name calling and insults, or serve only to take the thread off-topic, egg-on, or spiral into arguments and drama, will continue to be removed (such as yours, J08M3).

[Edjay]

May I suggest, to combine the 2 threads? I would make it easier to follow 1 thread instead of 2.

[mshab356]

Shit man, sorry to hear about your misfortune. I have an AA exhaust and I'm happy with it, but it is unfortunate that things didn't work out do well. Good luck with whatever holds in store for you in the future

[THE TECH]

Originally Posted by dbarnes

Same here. Plus after his engine failure he installed a "used" AA SC on a customer's car, a SC he feels is poorly engineered, has insufficient R&D, and is badly tuned - just doesn't make sense even if he told his customer "what might happen"

Originally Posted by Jaypod

I am sure he stands behind his work and if the engine fails he will cover the cost of the new engine being he installed it - I mean he should have the same expectations for his customers.

FYI, it was AA and not the OP who installed the OP's used kit on another car.

[Jaypod]

Originally Posted by THE TECH

FYI, it was AA and not the OP who installed the OP's used kit on another car.

Where does it say that - his on another car - I dont think so - he said he installed a used kit on a customer car