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      07-07-2011, 08:04 AM   #23
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Cheers mrad01 - That's that then - quite comprehensive in the view! ...

LV won't insure me FFS ...

Creepy - I have got a fitted - Trackstar - but they said due to the vehicle they can't provide cover ...
Mate that's BS I have a saved quote from them, for when my new M3 turns up and that's DCT.

EDIT.. Just refreshed the quote 522, I need a tracking device fitted though.

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      07-07-2011, 08:34 AM   #24
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It was probably my own fault from furiously refreshing, changing named drivers, mileage, voluntary excess etc - They probably thought balls to this, lets just tell him we can't quote
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      07-07-2011, 11:45 AM   #25
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It boils down to how the terms automatic and manual are defined, specifically whether based on mechanics or usage. In terms of mechanics, the DCT much more closely resembles a traditional manual transmission since it has clutches rather than a torque converter, but in usage it's an automatic because a computer can handle shifting with no driver intervention.

Personally I think of the DCT as an automatic on the argument that the names of the terms themselves refer to operation and not mechanical design. If someone came out with a self-shifting planetary gearset transmission that didn't need a slushbox or a gated 6MT that didn't need a clutch, for example, the former would still be considered an automatic and the latter would still be considered a manual.
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      07-07-2011, 11:49 AM   #26
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Classify it as an automatic transmission because there's only two pedals.
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      07-07-2011, 12:07 PM   #27
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Technically its a manual transmission with an automatic clutch operation. Since it has 2 clutches, you cannot operate it with a footpedal (4 foot pedals anyone?) so it has automatic clutch operation.

Automatics are defined as clutchless transmissions. DCT has two clutches so it doesn't fit the description.

Your insurance is looking at several factors. Replacement cost (normal manuals are normally cheaper), repair cost (a bit of a wash, but clutch replacement in manual is common), and how it affects driving (automatic has less load on the driver so auto is technically considered safer). If premium goes up with an auto, they are leaning towards the replacement cost and not so much the other factors. Since the DCT is an expensive transmission, I'm guessing "auto" is what they are looking for.

That said however, there is not one technical manual out there that classifys the DCT as an automatic transmission (clutchless), it is technically a manual transmission with automatic clutch so you could win the argument in a pinch.
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      07-07-2011, 04:06 PM   #28
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manual drivers are safer than automatic drivers...i believe it.
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for insurance purposes, you should choose "automatic". You don't want to be in an accident and have this void your insurance b/c they can have a case that it's insurance fraud.
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manual drivers are safer than automatic drivers...i believe it.
good thing the DCT is a manual

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for insurance purposes, you should choose "automatic". You don't want to be in an accident and have this void your insurance b/c they can have a case that it's insurance fraud.
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      07-07-2011, 09:57 PM   #31
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Automatics are defined as clutchless transmissions. DCT has two clutches so it doesn't fit the description.
Manual AMGs, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7G-Tron...SpeedShift_MCT
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