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      06-09-2011, 08:36 AM   #1
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Cool Innotech Full system and Kreissieg Full system

I'd love to ask the owners, vendors and experts of Innotech or Kreissieg Full system.

Especially these two exhausts give us very good sounds but as for the performance, only a few people talk about their performance.

How many hps have you got after installation to your M3 and how much torque have you lost?

Did anybody check the power on dynamos?

Before I decide to have new exhausts, I want to know the technical data. Should I lose some power if I wanna get better sound? People who chose Innotech and Kreissieg have given up gaining power.

It's really difficult to pursue both sounds and power
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      06-09-2011, 09:22 AM   #2
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delete cats gain hp but not really big help on the exhaust, mainly just sound.
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      06-09-2011, 09:25 AM   #3
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I did it mainly for sound. So I'm not worried about seat of the pants. Coming from a 689 rwhp supercharged Viper, this M3 is slow to me, and 20-30hp gain won't do much for me. I did a full Innotech system, and am very pleased with the sound and the valvetronic ability.... I can be quiet cruising around in my neighborhood, and drive around like a F1 car in parking garages!!!

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I'd love to ask the owners, vendors and experts of Innotech or Kreissieg Full system.

Especially these two exhausts give us very good sounds but as for the performance, only a few people talk about their performance.

How many hps have you got after installation to your M3 and how much torque have you lost?

Did anybody check the power on dynamos?

Before I decide to have new exhausts, I want to know the technical data. Should I lose some power if I wanna get better sound? People who chose Innotech and Kreissieg have given up gaining power.

It's really difficult to pursue both sounds and power
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      06-09-2011, 09:26 AM   #4
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Both Full systems delete the all the cats and resonators... You'd be shocked at how quiet the exhaust is with the valve shut closed.

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delete cats gain hp but not really big help on the exhaust, mainly just sound.
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      06-09-2011, 11:41 AM   #5
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christopherchenm>> It's for just sounds! Yes.

UsurbrainM3>> Oh, you got full system. I envy you. All you can do is to choose the silent and crazy sound anytime. Ummmm.
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In Japan we can have this system too.

This system called Power craft Hybrid Exhaust Muffler System

Much more popular than Kreis and Innotech in Japan.
They delete only second cat and make the original X-pipe.

I wanna introduce to you all to be sound addicted M3 owner.


BMW E90・E92 M3 with EXHAUST VALVE
■ CODE : P-BM520101
■ HYBRID EXHAUST MUFFLER SYSTEM
■ MATERIAL : SUS♯400~304
■ ACCESSORIES : with Remote Control Kit
■ SPEC : 60.5Φ TITAN TAIL 90Φ
■ PRICE : ¥462,000=$5764
http://www.power-craft.jp/base1111111115.html

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Check the promotion video on your PC now!!


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      06-09-2011, 12:04 PM   #7
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instead of paying that much for hp, get the supercharger. Exhaust system is mainly for sound
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      06-09-2011, 12:16 PM   #8
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This system called Power craft Hybrid Exhaust Muffler System

Much more popular than Kreis and Innotech in Japan.
They delete only second cat and make the original X-pipe.

I wanna introduce to you all to be sound addicted M3 owner.


BMW E90・E92 M3 with EXHAUST VALVE
■ CODE : P-BM520101
■ HYBRID EXHAUST MUFFLER SYSTEM
■ MATERIAL : SUS♯400~304
■ ACCESSORIES : with Remote Control Kit
■ SPEC : 60.5Φ TITAN TAIL 90Φ
■ PRICE : ¥462,000=$5764
http://www.power-craft.jp/base1111111115.html

The web of this company
http://www.power-craft.jp/index1.html

Check the promotion video on your PC now!!
Just what we all needed, another Agency Power/Vorsteiner/Megan Racing clone out of the same factory, for 4X the money! Awesome!

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Just what we all needed, another Agency Power/Vorsteiner/Megan Racing clone out of the same factory, for 4X the money! Awesome!

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Lol. Power Craft is actually made in Japan, they have other exhausts with their own very unique designs. I know a few people who use their exhausts and they sound grea and the quality is awesome, but they are definitely pricey.
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instead of paying that much for hp, get the supercharger. Exhaust system is mainly for sound
i don't think you can s/c a car and keep the exhaust completely stock..
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axle back = doesnt matter what kind. 3-5hp please dont believe what people saying they got 10-15hp on just axle back.

xpipe = minus the secondary cat and or resonator... 5-8hp

removal of primary cat = 10-15hp

NOW THIS ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR SET UP. THE MOST I HAVE SEEN ON FULL EXHAUST SET UP IS 28HP....
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axle back = doesnt matter what kind. 3-5hp please dont believe what people saying they got 10-15hp on just axle back.

xpipe = minus the secondary cat and or resonator... 5-8hp

removal of primary cat = 10-15hp

NOW THIS ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR SET UP. THE MOST I HAVE SEEN ON FULL EXHAUST SET UP IS 28HP....

I'd say it more like this:

Axle back = 0
x pipe = 0
primary cat = something, depending on what you did downstream
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