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      06-01-2011, 04:52 AM   #45
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shitz $40k for a fwd bmw roadster? Fuck that haha. Rather get a Miata.
And this is how all the car magazines and consumer tests will see it also. Z1 is dead in the water.
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      06-01-2011, 05:05 AM   #46
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      06-01-2011, 05:14 AM   #47
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The shifting sands in relation to designation is actually adjustments rather than adding new models -

The UKL based Z1 will allow a straight forward BMW entry Roadster (similar to the MINI Roadster) and that car is a lot of fun. a real go-kart.

The Z3 will be the original Z2 proposal - , based on the F20 matrix be lighter and offer a Soft-top and a Coupe like the original Z3. a proper Roadster.

The Z5 will be the natural progression of the Z4 , allowing it to retain it's current premium image and folding hard-top to remain a Coupe or Roadster.
It all sounds pretty exciting to me, and beeing a BMW driver and follower these days, lot's of things happening.

The entry level beeing FWD makes sense, it's easier and cheaper to produce cars with such an solution next to the better, but costlier RWD option.
So entry level beeing FWD is fine, anyone driving a Mini knows this imo.
The previous Z1 was pretty much an experiment by the look of things, the doors beeing one.
So having a Z1 within this family, great!

Z3 RWD with softop, within the F10 1 series family, awsome!
What about it's size next to the original, smaller perhaps?

Z5 to duel against the legendary SL, that would be a treat.
BMW needs that one, badly!


But what about the Z8, another experiement, or something to be build upon Scott?

As for those who doesn't like this, BMW is not a niche brand anymore, they were in the 70's and perhaps 80's.
Now they are big players, and the biggest premium brand, and they will build upon that.
How is that a bad thing?
It will provide us with more options, and i'm all for that!
As i think pretty much anyone would be, lighten up!
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      06-01-2011, 11:22 AM   #48
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      06-01-2011, 11:57 AM   #49
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Never really been a fan of roadsters. I will be more looking forward to a Z3M Coupe
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      06-01-2011, 12:13 PM   #50
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Meanwhile, in a boardroom deep inside BMW headquarters.........:


BMW Advertising Executive: "I know, lets see if we can hit 500 models by the end of 2015."

All the Marketing and Bottom Line Sheep: "Yeah, that would be a great idea. Everything for everyone, worked for GM for years, minus that little government help they got, but hey, who could control the economy tanking, right?"

Engineer: "WTF?"

BMW Advertising Executive: "Lets build a bunch of FWD vehicles....you know, to change things up a bit? Just because we have had a winning formula with our RWD cars for 4+ decades, doesn't mean we can't go out and try to be everything to everyone all the time, right?"

All the Marketing and Bottom Line Sheep: "YEAH!!! Wow, another great idea!!! We're in the money.....we're in the money"

Engineer: "WTF is going......"

BMW Advertising Executive: "Now, here is the best idea of all.....lets take the ///M badge and slap it on as many cars as possible. Give ///M division a few months with a car and tell them just to make it so it drives as lazy as the rest of the cars in our lineup, so that people who just want the badge can enjoy the car. I mean, the focus of ///M cars should be no different then non-///M cars. Just design one suspension system and engine and just use it in all ///M cars....all we really have to do is jack up the power a bit, put cool wheels on here and people will give us TONS of their money for it. Costs cutting is the focus of all BMW cars, so its time to reign in the ///M division."

All the Marketing and Bottom Line Sheep: "Dude, our bonuses are gonna rock"

Engineer: "That's it, I'm fucking outa here......maybe I can go make bombs for some terrorist group that can't be detected by dogs and scanners, at least that would be challenging....."


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      06-01-2011, 12:14 PM   #51
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Z1 and the 1er will become FWD for audiences that don't care too much about the rwd performance but want an entry level into the BMW brand, very close to mini.

2er and Z3 are more pure performance orientated entry level coupes/roadsters that perform well and leaves off the "luxury" items, easiest entry-level performance cars. (College/early 20s)

3er is the entry level sedan that is the bread and butter of BMW

4er is essentially the 3er coupe except that it can be more upscaled by renaming it the 4 series to compete with cars such as the A5 and E class coupe. (essentially the 5er except with 2 doors)

5er is the mid-sized luxury sedan, 'nuff said.

Z5 and 6er is the mid/full sized luxury sportscar/coupe for the older audiences that want luxury infused with sporting. Think Mercedes SL and CL class.

7er is well, the 7er. Ultimate big daddy executive luxury sedan.

In terms of the X models,

X1 is the entry level compact suv for the younger generations with an active life style. Perfect for college students + early 20s.

X2/X4 is just like the X6, a niche car that appeals to a very specific audience that want utility with sporting intentions. I don't think both teh X2 as well as the X4 will make it to production.

X3 is the everyday suv for the everyday family that wants a blend of utility, efficiency, and luxury in a not-too-big-not-too-small vehicle. Perfect for small families and middle aged women.

X5 is the full utility SUV that American families and their 3 kids, 2 dogs, boat-towing, active life-style needs.

X6 is a niche vehicle for the purpose of sporting utility + style
well if we're covering all possibilities
what if i want an M SAV in RWD that's also a cabrio?
there! finally found the one model missing from the future lineup
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      06-01-2011, 04:29 PM   #52
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Never really been a fan of roadsters. I will be more looking forward to a Z3M Coupe
I think my saddest day was when I had to sell my Z4M Coupe, and sell it for a huge loss (bought in 2007 before the full economy crash, sold in heart of crash), had a baby coming and my wife couldn't learn stick (I tried teaching her, and almost killed her), anyway, having an original Z3 M roadster then a Z4 3.0 and Z4M Coupe, I someday hope to own one again as they are pure joy to drive! probably 5+ years away from even thinking about one, but hey its probably going to be that long before the Z3M comes out anyway
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      06-01-2011, 05:20 PM   #53
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We should know by the end of the month on whether BMW will move forward with the new naming strategy for the Roadster family.

Auto Motor Und Sport have a feature on the Z2 , and is showing the design concept that is being progressed via the Vision Connected Drive/328 Hommage and being applied to BMW's design language . More modern , very progressive and becoming very futuristic.
The new progression of design language @ BMW is leading to a very exciting outlook for future BMW models.

But just to re-iterate . The Fwd UKL Roadster is expected to be called Z1 , The Modular F20 Matrix Roadster using RWD and a Soft-Top and an additional Coupe originally designated Z2 will become the Z3. And the Z4 which will follow the usual dimensional progression will become the Z5. Not a complete SL rival , it wont be as big as an SL but will still retain a folding Hardtop and a premium image.
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Okay if this is the new z4 or what ever it's going to be called..I'm in I love my z4 and the new one is nice but it's not nice enought for me to upgrade..now this one..OH YEAH
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      06-03-2011, 05:45 AM   #55
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Very excited to know this car is moving forward as the Z3.

Looking forward to the upcoming info.

Time to rename that forum...!

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We should know by the end of the month on whether BMW will move forward with the new naming strategy for the Roadster family.

Auto Motor Und Sport have a feature on the Z2 , and is showing the design concept that is being progressed via the Vision Connected Drive/328 Hommage and being applied to BMW's design language . More modern , very progressive and becoming very futuristic.
The new progression of design language @ BMW is leading to a very exciting outlook for future BMW models.

But just to re-iterate . The Fwd UKL Roadster is expected to be called Z1 , The Modular F20 Matrix Roadster using RWD and a Soft-Top and an additional Coupe originally designated Z2 will become the Z3. And the Z4 which will follow the usual dimensional progression will become the Z5. Not a complete SL rival , it wont be as big as an SL but will still retain a folding Hardtop and a premium image.
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      06-05-2011, 06:07 AM   #56
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No more renaming, please. X drive, S drive, GT, all these even numbered cars----make it stop.
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      06-05-2011, 09:53 AM   #57
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Very excited to know this car is moving forward as the Z3.

Looking forward to the upcoming info.

Time to rename that forum...!
+1 Agreed.

Are you thinking coupe or convertible?

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      06-05-2011, 11:59 AM   #58
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There are officially too many BMW's. They're pulling a Mercedes.
GM. Building too many of the same cars in the same segments. Just shooting themselves in the foot.
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      06-06-2011, 01:45 PM   #59
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Are you serious? The more models they build, the more spread out the resource for R
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      06-08-2011, 01:06 PM   #61
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Z3/M is now a lame duck if it is based on the latest F20 Pix.
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