First Impressions: C63 AMG Coupe vs E92 M3 vs RS5 by Autobild

southlight · 06-03-2011, 11:01 AM

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First Impressions: C63 AMG Coupe vs E92 M3 vs RS5 by Autobild

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The C63 AMG Coupe debuted recently to much buzz because it represents Mercedes' best direct competitor to the BMW M3 coupe yet. Autobild has printed their first drive impressions comparing the two German sports coupes, and have also thrown in the RS5 coupe to include all 3 similar offerings from Germany's top 3 luxury makes. Expect a more specific and technical comparison of the 3 cars soon. Here's our translation:

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Even with 457hp in the basic trim, the C63 is the most powerful coupe in its class. The performance package makes things even better: composite brakes, carbon flaps and a power bump to 487hp. Unlike earlier C63 models which had a torque converter automatic transmission, the V8 now is mated to a lighter 7-speed MCT transmission. MCT stands for Multi Clutch Technology which sounds like a double clutch but isn't, nor does it react or work as fast. While the Audi RS 5 does make use of a double clutch transmission, it is only the BMW's DCT which shows all the best merits of this technology - Up, down, double click, everything's done in real time; no lag, no torque dip. The BMW's shift lights warn of the approaching redline, and the automatic double-clutch welcomes the next gear. Terrific!

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As for emotions, the M3 is still king in its class. It's the red herring of BMW M's history - it was already an iconic car even as Audi was still trying to build its rallye image. The 4-liter V8 makes up for missing displacement with its characteristics. The M3's individual throttle butterflies seem to be able to read your mind. Everything fits, even if -- or is it when -- you take the road in a drift. And this noise! Unlike the Mercedes and its US style V8 exhaust sound, the M3 makes most of its noise from the engine itself. It's screaming a high praise on naturally aspirated engines, and the new M Performance exhaust adds even more of a race car feel.

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The Audi is a different animal. The 4.2-litre DI engine sounds more subdued. Deeper, not unsexy and quite the right tone for a drive into the sunset. The engine feels like a middleground between the Merc and the BMW - at the same time not besting either of them. It lacks both the punch of the AMG down low and the spirit of the BMW at high revs. The RS5 however fascinates with its drivetrain. It allows you to do things you shouldn't even think about doing with a car having that much weight at the front, the Sport Diff is that good. What's missing [in the RS5] is willingness to turn in. Both the BMW and the Mercedes negotiate tight corners joyfully while the RS5 remains a bit 'stressed.' Enough to lose a comparison? Maybe.

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James T. Kirk · 06-06-2011, 03:06 PM

Comparison results the same as usual. The new F3X M3 in development has alot to live up to.

Erhan · 06-06-2011, 03:14 PM

So it doesn't say if C63 is faster?

btw, does Mercedes offer both the "standard" and performance packages for C63 in US?

MDivPower · 06-06-2011, 03:17 PM

mercedes and audi are producing their cars directly to fight with the m3, they both produced a coupe version of their sedan ones, and then the sports editions, amg and rs. it is very clear that the c63 coupe and rs5 are going after the m3, however the m3 looks way more original than both do.

e1000 · 06-06-2011, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erhanh

So it doesn't say if C63 is faster?

btw, does Mercedes offer both the "standard" and performance packages for C63 in US?

Yes.

KTM505SX · 06-06-2011, 03:20 PM

M3 for me,thank you very much

Wolf · 06-06-2011, 03:21 PM

wow that Merc is looking very aggressive... I have to admit the M3 is starting to get a little dated... but man I'd love to have all 3 cars in the garage

saeedg48 · 06-06-2011, 03:21 PM

...seriously m3's still my pick. i feel like everything else is just a copy.

Erhan · 06-06-2011, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by e1000

Yes.

See that's annoying. BMW is not bringing some of their engines here because they don't want to deal with certifying them... BMW really sucks sometimes.

Erhan · 06-06-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf

wow that Merc is looking very aggressive... I have to admit the M3 is starting to get a little dated... but man I'd love to have all 3 cars in the garage

Look of the Audi, exhaust note of the Mercedes, and the performance of the BMW is what I want

assinizarM3 · 06-06-2011, 03:24 PM

After 5 years the M3 is still capable of beating its newer lame rivals

If we look back when the m3 was launched we won't find any comparison between and the old c class amg...that's because it doesn't have any chance...and now the m3 is still comparable easily...AND IT'S STILL AT THE TOP!!!that's what we should look for in a car not some horsepower numbers written on papers.

Wolf · 06-06-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by erhanh

Look of the Audi, exhaust note of the Mercedes, and the performance of the BMW is what I want

thats what am dreaming about lol

Lemon Jelly M3 · 06-06-2011, 03:34 PM

Nah, I will keep my BMW...until F30/F32 comes out that is

Bosna · 06-06-2011, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by erhanh

See that's annoying. BMW is not bringing some of their engines here because they don't want to deal with certifying them... BMW really sucks sometimes.

It's not a different engine. It's an engine tune.

Cyrax91 · 06-06-2011, 03:36 PM

I dont know I still love the look of my M3. And the high rev NA V8 is just awesome. With the way things are going im not sure ill ever give up my e92 M3. I love it.

Erhan · 06-06-2011, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosna

It's not a different engine. It's an engine tune.

My impression was that even with tune, you need to re-certify it? Wasn't that the reason we didn't see M3 CSL? I might be wrong...

BootyMonster · 06-06-2011, 03:57 PM

m3 and c63 > piece of crap rs5

Matski · 06-06-2011, 04:03 PM

Q: What did the M3 eat for breakfast?

A: THE COMPETITION

antzcrashing · 06-06-2011, 04:22 PM

M3 is still the best performer. The exterior design of the others is quite nice though

GuyOh · 06-06-2011, 04:46 PM

for me...

Best looking rear - AMG

Best looking side profile - M3

Best looking front - M3 tied with Rs5

on a side note - AMG still looks like a suped up Honda Accord Coupe

Erhan · 06-06-2011, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blipit

The Autocar review says its faster.

It also says the C63 coupe has better turn-in and steering feel than the M3.

Also they would now pick the C63 over the M3.

But that review won't make the front page.

Oh well, I expect it to beat. I mean it was about time

I still love my M3 anyways.

crackberry · 06-06-2011, 05:13 PM

Yah for the m3.

But I have no idea what the article was saying about the Audi being "not unsexy." What's going on over there?

06-03-2011, 11:01 AM	#1
southlight Moderator / European Editor Drives: BMW Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 6,633 iTrader: (0)	First Impressions: C63 AMG Coupe vs E92 M3 vs RS5 by Autobild BIMMERPOST NEWS First Impressions: C63 AMG Coupe vs E92 M3 vs RS5 by Autobild 123 COMMENTS Tweet The C63 AMG Coupe debuted recently to much buzz because it represents Mercedes' best direct competitor to the BMW M3 coupe yet. Autobild has printed their first drive impressions comparing the two German sports coupes, and have also thrown in the RS5 coupe to include all 3 similar offerings from Germany's top 3 luxury makes. Expect a more specific and technical comparison of the 3 cars soon. Here's our translation: Even with 457hp in the basic trim, the C63 is the most powerful coupe in its class. The performance package makes things even better: composite brakes, carbon flaps and a power bump to 487hp. Unlike earlier C63 models which had a torque converter automatic transmission, the V8 now is mated to a lighter 7-speed MCT transmission. MCT stands for Multi Clutch Technology which sounds like a double clutch but isn't, nor does it react or work as fast. While the Audi RS 5 does make use of a double clutch transmission, it is only the BMW's DCT which shows all the best merits of this technology - Up, down, double click, everything's done in real time; no lag, no torque dip. The BMW's shift lights warn of the approaching redline, and the automatic double-clutch welcomes the next gear. Terrific! As for emotions, the M3 is still king in its class. It's the red herring of BMW M's history - it was already an iconic car even as Audi was still trying to build its rallye image. The 4-liter V8 makes up for missing displacement with its characteristics. The M3's individual throttle butterflies seem to be able to read your mind. Everything fits, even if -- or is it when -- you take the road in a drift. And this noise! Unlike the Mercedes and its US style V8 exhaust sound, the M3 makes most of its noise from the engine itself. It's screaming a high praise on naturally aspirated engines, and the new M Performance exhaust adds even more of a race car feel. The Audi is a different animal. The 4.2-litre DI engine sounds more subdued. Deeper, not unsexy and quite the right tone for a drive into the sunset. The engine feels like a middleground between the Merc and the BMW - at the same time not besting either of them. It lacks both the punch of the AMG down low and the spirit of the BMW at high revs. The RS5 however fascinates with its drivetrain. It allows you to do things you shouldn't even think about doing with a car having that much weight at the front, the Sport Diff is that good. What's missing [in the RS5] is willingness to turn in. Both the BMW and the Mercedes negotiate tight corners joyfully while the RS5 remains a bit 'stressed.' Enough to lose a comparison? Maybe. Source: Autobild Share this story OTHER STORIES YOU MIGHT LIKE No Competition. An M3 Film. All Four M3 Generations (E30, E36, E46, E90) At The Track - Ignition Episode ESS VT3 Supercharged E92 M3 Breaks 700WHP
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James T. Kirk Captain of the Enterprise Drives: 2011 1 Series M Coupe Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Alpha Quadrant, Sector 001 Posts: 1,406 iTrader: (0)	Comparison results the same as usual. The new F3X M3 in development has alot to live up to. __________________ 2011 1 Series M Coupe VO M3 vs 1M Comparo Review 2011 M3 E90 DCT ZCP (sold) * 2010 335i Sedan (sold) 2005 M3 Convertible (sold) * 2003 325i Sedan (sold)

06-06-2011, 03:14 PM	#3
Erhan Colonel Drives: Cooper S Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,462 iTrader: (0)	So it doesn't say if C63 is faster? btw, does Mercedes offer both the "standard" and performance packages for C63 in US? __________________ 2011 MINI Cooper S previous cars: E92 M3, Z4MC, Z4 Roadster, E36 328 Sedan

06-06-2011, 03:21 PM	#8
saeedg48 Brigadier General Drives: 2008 6MT E90 M3 & 2012 CLS63 P Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Unknown Posts: 3,354 iTrader: (1)	...seriously m3's still my pick. i feel like everything else is just a copy. __________________ _______________

06-06-2011, 03:36 PM	#15
Cyrax91 M Power Drives: JB e46 M3 & WW Evo IX Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NM Posts: 1,453 iTrader: (17)	I dont know I still love the look of my M3. And the high rev NA V8 is just awesome. With the way things are going im not sure ill ever give up my e92 M3. I love it. __________________ JB e46 M3 & WW Evo IX GSR

06-06-2011, 03:17 PM	#4
MDivPower Private First Class Drives: mk4 Jetta Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Cairo Posts: 120 iTrader: (0)	mercedes and audi are producing their cars directly to fight with the m3, they both produced a coupe version of their sedan ones, and then the sports editions, amg and rs. it is very clear that the c63 coupe and rs5 are going after the m3, however the m3 looks way more original than both do.

06-06-2011, 03:20 PM	#6
KTM505SX Lieutenant Drives: 2011.5 E92 M3 6MT ZCP Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Valencia,CA Posts: 502 iTrader: (0)	M3 for me,thank you very much

06-06-2011, 03:24 PM	#11
assinizarM3 Private Drives: bmw x5 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: canada ottawa Posts: 84 iTrader: (0)	After 5 years the M3 is still capable of beating its newer lame rivals If we look back when the m3 was launched we won't find any comparison between and the old c class amg...that's because it doesn't have any chance...and now the m3 is still comparable easily...AND IT'S STILL AT THE TOP!!!that's what we should look for in a car not some horsepower numbers written on papers.

06-06-2011, 03:34 PM	#13
Lemon Jelly M3 Lieutenant Drives: M3 (E90,ZCP,6MT) Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: East Coast Posts: 451 iTrader: (0)	Nah, I will keep my BMW...until F30/F32 comes out that is

06-06-2011, 03:57 PM	#17
BootyMonster New Member Drives: 335i Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 12 iTrader: (0)	m3 and c63 > piece of crap rs5

06-06-2011, 04:03 PM	#18
Matski First Lieutenant Drives: E36 328i Sport & E46 320d Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England Posts: 345 iTrader: (0)	Q: What did the M3 eat for breakfast? A: THE COMPETITION __________________ 3/15 to i8, and everything in between (yep, even including the F07 and F20)

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antzcrashing ... can I get a 1M Drives: 2006 330i Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Miami FL Posts: 924 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW 330i [5.00]	M3 is still the best performer. The exterior design of the others is quite nice though __________________

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GuyOh Lieutenant Colonel Drives: 08 AW 335i coupe Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 1,764 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 E92 335i [0.00]	for me... Best looking rear - AMG Best looking side profile - M3 Best looking front - M3 tied with Rs5 on a side note - AMG still looks like a suped up Honda Accord Coupe __________________

06-06-2011, 05:13 PM	#22
crackberry Major Drives: Porsche Carrera GTS (997.2) Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: southern california Posts: 1,003 iTrader: (0)	Yah for the m3. But I have no idea what the article was saying about the Audi being "not unsexy." What's going on over there?

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