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      06-01-2011, 10:18 PM   #23
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What is MSRP of this kit?
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      06-02-2011, 12:58 AM   #24
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MSRP $4,295

Here's an edited video. Full review coming later this week.

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      06-02-2011, 01:16 AM   #25
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Any idea what spring rates came with this kit?
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      06-02-2011, 12:32 PM   #26
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About 15% stiffer than KW Clubsport.
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About 15% stiffer than KW Clubsport.
If you can get me the part#'s on the springs, that would be great.
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      06-02-2011, 03:16 PM   #28
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Do you prefer these over your Moton MS set up?
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      06-02-2011, 03:32 PM   #29
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Very nice video. Thanks. Cant wait for the review.
BTW, which god awful squealy tires are u using? Street tires? Ur skills seem ready for some R-Comps (BFG R1 or Hoosier R6), no?
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Very nice video. Thanks. Cant wait for the review.
BTW, which god awful squealy tires are u using? Street tires? Ur skills seem ready for some R-Comps (BFG R1 or Hoosier R6), no?
Look like AD08s.
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      06-05-2011, 01:11 AM   #31
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Driving Impressions

First, a little bit of the stock suspension.

It has been a while since I last drove with stock suspension. Overall, for a street set up it worked quite well on the track. Obviously the springs are soft which means you have to be patient, brake early, and let the car roll into corners. Or, in the words of a racing driver: "you turn the wheel and then a second later you realize 'oh shit' all the 3700 lbs are on the outside wheels."

The other noticeable attribute of the stock suspension is the mid-corner push as expected on most street cars. This is especially noticeable at turn 17/16/15 of MSR Houston. Some drivers will try to stab on the gas to get the rears loose and rotate the car, but during the process you transfer weight away from the front and understeer even more. In sum you lose a lot of time when the car understeers.

Anyhow, onto the main event – KW Competition.

I worked with KW and spec'd the kit specifically for a street legal weekend track car. KW has several set up combinations available based on their shaker rig testing and field experience. I chose rates which are about 15% stiffer than their Clubsport. This combination will give the car much quicker transition time vs. stock, and, at the same time, maintain a decent ride on the streets.

First impression is that the turn in is much, much sharper compared to stock. The stiffer springs combined with proper shock valving significantly shortens the transition time which allowed me to brake and turn in later.

Second impression is that there is much more grip in all four corners on the same tires. This is in part due to the front adjustable top mount will give you a max of around -3.5 degrees of camber. I've set mine to -2.8 degrees based on data from prior runs, but I can easily add/subtract if needed -- camber can be adjusted directly through the strut tower openings -- without taking the strut assembly off.

The balance: car is very neutral now at the limit. At turn 2 the carousel you can now be on the throttle for almost the entire duration. And at turn 17/16/15 I can easily get the car pointed at the right direction and power out of the exit.

The Results

1:48.3 is my fastest lap time on the stock suspension. 1:45.5 is my time on KW Competition. This is a delta of -2.8 seconds.



As you can see from the track data, through every corner the M3 is able to enter and exit at a higher speed. The most notable corner is 17/16/15, where the KW is 4 mph faster than stock. This is due to a much balanced chassis which allowed me to get on the gas pedal much sooner than when the car understeered on stock suspension.



The beauty of KW Competition is that it comes as an integrated suspension solution. KW has collected a tremendous amount of data on the M3 from KW’s shaker rig testing as well as racing experience, so the kits are truly tested and proven. On the other hand, most high-end dampers from other brands come as dampers only, and typically vendors who may not always have a lot of experience on the M3 are in charge of getting camber plates, spec’ing springs, setting shock valving, etc. Therefore it takes a lot of time and effort to tune a set up like that correctly (for me, I had two racing drivers help me tune my Moton set up).

Hope this has been helpful.
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      06-05-2011, 03:35 AM   #32
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Very nice video. Thanks. Cant wait for the review.
BTW, which god awful squealy tires are u using? Street tires? Ur skills seem ready for some R-Comps (BFG R1 or Hoosier R6), no?
Right now AD08. For practice and suspension tuning.

Practice because I burn through slick tires way too quickly to use them every single track day.

Suspension tuning because slick tires tend to mask handling issues. Street tires are able to expose the issues much more easily due to a lower level of grip.
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      06-05-2011, 11:18 AM   #33
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[quote=rldzhao;9751127]Driving Impressions

First, a little bit of the stock suspension.

It has been a while since I last drove with stock suspension. Overall, for a street set up it worked quite well on the track. Obviously the springs are soft which means you have to be patient, brake early, and let the car roll into corners. Or, in the words of a racing driver: "you turn the wheel and then a second later you realize 'oh shit' all the 3700 lbs are on the outside wheels."

The other noticeable attribute of the stock suspension is the mid-corner push as expected on most street cars. This is especially noticeable at turn 17/16/15 of MSR Houston. Some drivers will try to stab on the gas to get the rears loose and rotate the car, but during the process you transfer weight away from the front and understeer even more. In sum you lose a lot of time when the car understeers.

Anyhow, onto the main event
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Could you tell us more about how the internals for the Competition shocks are different then the Clubsports, besides the valving?
Will they need to be rebuilt?
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      06-06-2011, 09:08 PM   #35
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The internal construction is the same between the Competition and Clubsport, therefore the Competition will enjoy the same durability.
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      06-06-2011, 09:38 PM   #36
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I know this was asked before but i did not see a response, how do these compare to your moton ms setup?
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Out of the box, the KWs are definitely faster because the entire kit is built as an integrated system, meaning the dampers are built for the specific springs, ride height, tire use, etc. For the Moton set up, I spent a lot of time and received help from two racing drivers to tune the set up properly.

But after the Moton is tuned in, the systems are equally good. KW has a slight advantage due to stiffer springs.
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time to get rid of my kw v3
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time to get rid of my kw v3
Let me know when you're ready to sell
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      10-07-2011, 12:58 AM   #40
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did you take those pictures off of my set up?

because it seems like you did a lot better job
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great!!

Are camber plates adjustable by yourself?? It' difficult?
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Are camber plates adjustable by yourself?? It' difficult?
Yes they are... Not difficult at all. Just jack up both front wheels off the ground and adjust.
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Yes they are... Not difficult at all. Just jack up both front wheels off the ground and adjust.
I think it will be my next upgrade
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Yes they are... Not difficult at all. Just jack up both front wheels off the ground and adjust.
Yup. The top of the plate is marked so you can easily set your camber to specific settings.
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