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      06-01-2011, 10:53 AM   #1
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Big Brother is capable of more than ECU scans to check your RPMs and last top speed...

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/...rs/?test=faces


If this ends up happening, I'll pay $5 k up front in cash to the first person who successfully removes my car's "black box" and installs it to the bottom of a city bus.
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      06-01-2011, 01:05 PM   #2
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I understand to a certain degree for these devices.

But if you are that worried about cars being abused, mis-used, etc. Just build every car the same. Govern it to 70mph. Revs can't go over 4000pm. Or when GPS control takes over completely, have it act like a system that reportedly worked for the GT-R. (Once it senses you are on a track, it removes all the nanny features). If the GPS sees you are on the freeway, it should limit your speed to the max speed of the posted sign. If it senses your in a residential neighborhood, limit your speed to 35.

The new passport IQ has speed limits in its memory.

Anyone else think that may come? Once Skynet comes online?
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I think that the black boxes currently installed in some cars that log the last X seconds/minutes continuously, and only save it when an accident occurs, are good. If you f**k up being an idiot and crash, you should be held accountable. This is especially important in the US with all the litigious bastard out there. And when the shop working on your car crashes your Lambo into a light pole, you will know what happened. Unless you are a very irresponsible person, there is little reason to not want it.

I am definitely not for full time tracking/logging of driving habits, and this would certainly never be OK'ed in the foreseeable future in the US. Essentially no one will want that, regardless of political leaning.
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Toyota/Lexus has had the black box in every vehicle since 2006.
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      06-01-2011, 03:29 PM   #5
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I thought OnStar could already do this.. Wasn't there a commercial of a police chase being cut short because OnStar interfered and turned the car's engine off?
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Toyota/Lexus has had the black box in every vehicle since 2006.

GM has been using them for years as well.



Having them in a car for accident investigations ONLY is ok. Using them to prove warranty/insurance violations when an accident didnt occur, isnt. I think that would be abusing these devices.
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Big Brother is capable of more than ECU scans to check your RPMs and last top speed...

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/...rs/?test=faces


If this ends up happening, I'll pay $5 k up front in cash to the first person who successfully removes my car's "black box" and installs it to the bottom of a city bus.
All that needs to be done is to disable the GPS antenna...
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All that needs to be done is to disable the GPS antenna...
Not true. The data is gathered from the ECU. Typically the measure speed, RPM, brake pressure, throttle position, seatbelt used, etc. No GPS needed.
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Not true. The data is gathered from the ECU. Typically the measure speed, RPM, brake pressure, throttle position, seatbelt used, etc. No GPS needed.
Yep, and your BMW already does that. However, without the GPS antenna, the ECU won't be able to store trip information, which is what everyone seems to be concerned about.

As evidenced by the following quotes from the news article:

"Or what if you’re going through a divorce, and you decide to work with an attorney who can tell you, with utmost accuracy, the exact driving route of your spouse over the past six months? You could use that data in court, especially if your spouse visited a special friend every day."

and

"However, one concern has to do with insurance companies and law enforcement obtaining driving behavior from black boxes, including crash data and GPS driving routes. Experts warn that this data collection could be easily expanded, tracking much more than your driving speed."
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