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      05-26-2011, 11:34 AM   #23
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How come we know all this about different body styles but nothing so far about the engine????
V8
V8 with Bi turbo
V6 TT
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Anything? SCOTT??
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      05-26-2011, 11:36 AM   #24
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So ///Many to choose from...I'm not sure I like where this is going.
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      05-26-2011, 11:36 AM   #25
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Sorry - there was no such indication anywhere in his post. Scott, is the engine confirmed yet?
With the X3 M just two years out, I think it is a safe bet that the engine configuration has been selected some time ago and they are in the process of developing and refining it as we speak. But IMHO, I don't think we are going to get confirmation on the cylinder layout for quite some time.
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      05-26-2011, 11:37 AM   #26
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M3 Touring w/ AWD?
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      05-26-2011, 11:40 AM   #27
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Fixed.

Granted, I am speculating, but look at how cars like the CLS and A7 are being positioned. BMW's own 6 Series Gran Coupe will probably be priced similarly, relatively speaking, and I think it is best to expect the 3 Series Gran Coupe, and thus the M3 Gran Coupe, will follow suit as well.
Well from what I read the 3 Gran Coupe like the GT is supposed to be more like a 5 series inside but 3 series outside, so price will be in between the two. BUT having said that if the M3 coupe and gran coupe have the exact same engines and interior I can't see them charging more for the gran coupe, making both cars an "M" will take away the upgrade advantages the gran coupe has in non M format making price similar.
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      05-26-2011, 11:45 AM   #28
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I think M3 Gran Coupe replacing the sedan was a good idea. The E90 is my favorite M3. At the same time, the next 4-door being the Gran Coupe makes the sedan even more sporty and aggressive, probably making the car lower too.

If i dont get the vert, i'd definitely go for the M3 Gran Coupe
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      05-26-2011, 11:46 AM   #29
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M3 Touring w/ AWD?
Well if they are making a X3M and X4M I think we may see AWD in a non X version, since touring will most likely not make it to the states, I would hope the Gran Coupe might have the AWD option. If not I might just buy an X3M and X4M for the wife and myself, 2 young kids and bad winters, sure I can drive in the snow without AWD (I do it now in my C63 with snow tires) BUT when you have the family with you, the added security of AWD and knowing it will be easier to get going on ice or out of a snow filled parking space is a nice comfort.
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      05-26-2011, 11:46 AM   #30
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BUT having said that if the M3 coupe and gran coupe have the exact same engines and interior I can't see them charging more for the gran coupe, making both cars an "M" will take away the upgrade advantages the gran coupe has in non M format making price similar.
Just watch what they do with the M6 Gran Coupe, coming 2013, according to this (which I will acknoweldge is constantly in flux):

http://www.bimmerpost.com/future-bmw/

I think this thing will come in very close to the price of the M6 Cab, perhaps just a tiny bit under.
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      05-26-2011, 11:51 AM   #31
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hope that M3 Touring makes it to stateside
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      05-26-2011, 11:52 AM   #32
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Yeah why are there so many m"s it seems like there trying to do what mercedes is doing with there amg idk
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      05-26-2011, 11:58 AM   #33
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Guys if we dont want this crap just make it known with your wallet.

No sense if getting worked up over it.

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      05-26-2011, 11:58 AM   #34
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I just placed my order;
2015 Gran Coupe
V8 S65 Bi-Turbo 480HP
AWD
Transmission: DCT
Color: Titanium Grey
Interior: Saddle Brown Extended Leather
I got a great deal $500 above invoice = 92K yaaaay
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M3 Touring will be a disaster in the USA. Im fine as long as theres a vert and a 4 door but i also think a touring wont sell at all. Nobody even buys the non-M touring! Waste of R
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      05-26-2011, 12:01 PM   #36
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Pretty soon all 3 series BMW's will be "M3's"!

I think it's time to release the "M3-RS coupe" or something to that effect, for those that still want to buy an actual M3...
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Starting to think the ///M Bicycle...wasn't a joke.
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The M3 Gran Coupe was already discussed as the replacement of the M3 Sedan sometime last year in this very forum... I do not see the surprise.

This has obvious all over.

Even before BMW admitting that the GT-Series (of one model) was a failure, the idea of a 3-Series Gran Coupe and even more of a M3 Gran Coupe was obvious. The M3 Sedan could be construed as a sales failure - something like a 3-to-1 ratio sales compared with the Coupe/Convertible- however 2-3000 M3 Sedan sales a year are not bad at all.

Well, just picture an M3 Gran Coupe for $3000-$5000 more than the current M3 sedan and suddenly this is not that much of a surprise. It is just obviously natural.
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The next M3 family has been selected - The name M3 remains despite some unconfirmed changes being reported in the media.

BMW X3M - 2013
High Performance SAV for the Premium Entry Segment.
Groundbreaking debut for new M developed engine which will spread across other models.

The M3 Coupe - 2014
High Performance Luxury Coupe in it's fifth generation.

Plans are also in motion for a series of editions of M3 to capitalize in on (future?) Motorsport success in a similar fashion to the Porsche 911 - GT3/GT2. Expect them to focus on Competition , Motorsport and Lightweight with varying Performance.

The M3 Cabrio - 2015
Retaining a folding hard-top for exclusivity , The current E92 has been successful in emerging markets were blue skies reign, in some aspect outselling or equalling Coupe sales in some markets.

The M3 Gran Coupe - 2016
BMW are not overwhelmed with sales reaction to the current car. But recognize that there is interest for a future variant , however a Gran Coupe essentually a four door variant of the forthcoming F32 Coupe will replace the sedan with a more stylish and performance orientated four door Coupe shape.

The BMW X4M - 2015
High Performance entry segment of downsized "Sport Activity Coupe" concept

The M3 Touring - 2015
For the first time BMW M will hopefully commit to an M3 Touring , largely based on demand from European customers who had to forfeit for the larger M5 Touring when wanting a high performance Wagon from BMW M. Demand for the updated C63 AMG is also influential as will the imminent Audi RS4 Avant.

* There will be no M variant of the 3er Gran Turismo.
So a new e89 Z4M is not planned at all...
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So a new e89 Z4M is not planned at all...
There is no mention in this article about a Z4M, but I think that Scott26 confirmed that it is under development already in a previous post. HOWEVER, current Z4sdrive35is lists somewhere around 80-90K in Canada (I'm not sure about the US), so IF it does come out it would be priced somewhere around 100K? Thats getting close to 6er cabrio territory, so to me it doesn't make much sense to do it.

These models will all sell, and I would rather see an X3M, and X4M (even though we have yet to see an X4) than an X5M and X6M because they are much smaller vehicles and would be more fun to drive as opposed to driving a muscle truck (IMHO, and my brother-in-law has an X5M and its scary fast, but too big for that kind of power).

Overall, I do tend to agree that the M division is getting too diluted, BUT if it makes business sense, and the competitors are doing it, they do have to climb on board too.

Times are changing fast, so we either need to follow suit or be left in the dust.
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      05-26-2011, 12:32 PM   #42
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Waaay too many "M"s...marketing taking over the brand. FAIL
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It is sad really.

The true definition of the "M3" will change forever.
I don't understand why? The ///M3 will still be the ///M3, it just offers a version for convertible fans, people who need 4 doors, and people who need the space (Touring). Why is this a bad thing?

Having the option of one doesn't make the other any "worse". It's not like BMW are forcing you to buy a Touring if you want a coupe If you don't like it, vote with your wallet, like Crimson said

All this does is it allows someone to buy a BMW performance car instead of a Audi Avant, Or a C63 station wagon. If there weren't alternatives, people would flock to where there is a suitable fit for their needs.

If BMW sell more cars, they have more money, and can continue to keep the ///M cars the benchmark. Audi are selling more and more cars, and Benz are a close contender, so if you want BMW to stay ahead, embrace what they are doing.

They haven't disappointed with a single ///M car yet.
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Pretty soon all 3 series BMW's will be "M3's"!

I think it's time to release the "M3-RS coupe" or something to that effect, for those that still want to buy an actual M3...
and bring it to the states....


....or we could buy a real RS

On a different note, I am sure all these models will sell. Until there is a major backlash, which I doubt there will be ///M will keep slapping a badge on every car that BMW makes, and can you blame the?

It doesnt really bother me much since I snagged a S65 M3, and I don't blame BMW for making money. However BMW and ///M seem to over extending themselves and I think it will hurt the brand in the long run.
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