AA Stage 2+ & VT1 535 - Page 6

m33 · 05-24-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tazam3

Let's not forget the years of manipulative marketing like using the same exact dyno chart for 2 different model cars (e46 e92) and posting it on forums trying to show power gains. If that doesn't kill a vendors credibility then I don't know what does!!! They have years of no proof dyno's, ESS is not new. Where were you guys 5 years ago when they would show bs dyno charts??

It is a fact that the most audible ESS guys on this forum have flash loaders with race files!! Come on now!

Since AJ thinks he is superior to the world and is very unprofessional. Here is a AA S54 car. Show me your S54 now!

Is this your dyno graph ?

Jean@ActiveAutowerke · 05-24-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

Jean

Come back and post up when your 625 HP kit can do the following. These are real world results of customers cars. Coming into a thread and marketing your kit as having a better design than ours when you have not got close to any of our benchmarks was a bit pre-mature.

6.7 sec 60-130

11.30 @ 129.34 MPH 1/4 mile

600 whp SAE

All I have seen so far from you in this thread is creative marketing and the proof that you can make more power than your customers on a dyno. Anytime you want to run your stage 2+ against our VT2-625 you let me know and I will make the arrangements.

So... I'll see you guys here next year?

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/event...Luxury%20Sedan

You were no where to be found the past few years...

Then again you might be too busy throwing dyno charts around from non standard systems...

Keep in mind, you didn't buy the last copy of Photoshop...

You have an entire year to get ready BTW...

Omar@ActiveAutowerke · 05-24-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ@ESS

This was an accident by a new sales guy and actually was showing less than the real E92 dyno, it was thourougly explained and documented. But I guess it is not possible to explain this to a guy on AA's marketing and smokescreen payroll..

"Smokescreen payroll" how rude... Vik, As a vendor on this forum I apologize on Aj's behalf. Aj, I think it is best that we don't get into INS and outs of our operations here on the forum... Feel free to send me another PM threatening me but not the forum members... Why can't everyone just have a choice, the market is big enough for everyone and it makes it more enjoyable for the consumer.

Mrbojangles · 05-24-2011, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ@ESS

This was an accident by a new sales guy and actually was showing less than the real E92 dyno, it was thourougly explained and documented. But I guess it is not possible to explain this to a guy on AA's marketing and smokescreen payroll..

You and your company should be the last ones talking about putting people on payroll....

AJ@ESS · 05-24-2011, 08:56 PM

Taz,

Anyone can actually bolt a large turbo to a S54 and create huge numbers with a stand alone ECU. The problem is doing so on a stock ECU, which AA could not do. I believe we have a much higher stock ECU power accomplishment than any competitor :

Roman@ESS · 05-24-2011, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean@ActiveAutowerke

So... I'll see you guys here next year?

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/event...Luxury%20Sedan

You were no where to be found the past few years...

Then again you might be too busy throwing dyno charts around from non standard systems...

Keep in mind, you didn't buy the last copy of Photoshop...

You have an entire year to get ready BTW...

6.7 sec 60-130

11.30 @ 129.34 MPH 1/4 mile

600 whp SAE

If you would like to share DRF files of dyno's we can.

Omar@ActiveAutowerke · 05-24-2011, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean@ActiveAutowerke

Keep in mind, you didn't buy the last copy of Photoshop...

Let me the be the first to attack Jean regarding this post and say I don't think he purchased his copy of Photoshop.

E90///M3` · 05-24-2011, 09:00 PM

wow... this thread blew up!

Jean@ActiveAutowerke · 05-24-2011, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman@ESS

6.7 sec 60-130

11.30 @ 129.34 MPH 1/4 mile

600 whp SAE

Um... Okay...

Tact anyone...?

noun /takt/

Adroitness and sensitivity in dealing with others or with difficult issues
- the inspector broke the news to me with tact and consideration

Guess I wont be seeing you at One Lap... On the track... Be safe on the street out there.

m33 · 05-24-2011, 09:06 PM

I willing and able to run a AA E9x M3 cause at the end of the day this discussion is about just that ! Not custom turbo cars , that's going off track let's stick to E9x M3's do I have any volunteers ???
Step up or sit down !

studntloan · 05-24-2011, 09:06 PM

everyone has a choice on which company they go with, and for that reason, threads like this emerge

akh23456 · 05-24-2011, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m33

I willing and able to run a AA E9x M3 cause at the end of the day this discussion is about just that ! Not custom turbo cars , that's going off track let's stick to E9x M3's do I jar any volunteers ???
Step up or sit down !

i spoke with Img on sunday we will set something up for Lm and I to come to you guys and do some friendly runs. We would have run on sunday but as you know that stupid guy did donuts in the middle of the 3 laned rd and had cops everywhere.

tazam3 · 05-24-2011, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ@ESS

This was an accident by a new sales guy and actually was showing less than the real E92 dyno, it was thourougly explained and documented. But I guess it is not possible to explain this to a guy on AA's marketing and smokescreen payroll..

Ashjob you will always be the same unprofessional rude person you have always been. If anyone is on payroll's its a few people on this board, and one VERY big one that doesn't post here anymore... Keep on using manipulative dyno charts buddy! Nobody will forget that!

tazam3 · 05-24-2011, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m33

Is this your dyno graph ?

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omar@ActiveAutowerke

"Smokescreen payroll" how rude... Vik, As a vendor on this forum I apologize on Aj's behalf. Aj, I think it is best that we don't get into INS and outs of our operations here on the forum... Feel free to send me another PM threatening me but not the forum members... Why can't everyone just have a choice, the market is big enough for everyone and it makes it more enjoyable for the consumer.

LMAO... Don't trip Omar, people that you meet you guys and meet them can easily see how amazingly professional and nice you guys are...

tazam3 · 05-24-2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJ@ESS

Taz,

Anyone can actually bolt a large turbo to a S54 and create huge numbers with a stand alone ECU. The problem is doing so on a stock ECU, which AA could not do. I believe we have a much higher stock ECU power accomplishment than any competitor :

Im seriously having the best entertainment tonight! Why post that graph, doesn't even come close to mine. Since you love posting who has higher Hp numbers, guess I win this time huh AJ? No fake or other car's dyno's here..

Anyone can huh? Like you? No buddy, you cant because you haven't. I didnt want a limited power car (on a stock ecu), I wanted big power! And the fact that AA did it all is way more then I can speak about your unprofessional cocky ass.

m33 · 05-24-2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by akh23456

i spoke with Img on sunday we will set something up for Lm and I to come to you guys and do some friendly runs. We would have run on sunday but as you know that stupid guy did donuts in the middle of the 3 laned rd and had cops everywhere.

That dude was a complete idiot !

AJ@ESS · 05-24-2011, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazam3

Im seriously having the best entertainment tonight! Why post that graph, doesn't even come close to mine. Since you love posting who has higher Hp numbers, guess I win this time huh AJ? No fake or other car's dyno's here..

Anyone can huh? Like you? No buddy, you cant because you haven't. I didnt want a limited power car (on a stock ecu), I wanted big power! And the fact that AA did it all is way more then I can speak about your unprofessional cocky ass.

You've been driving your car much these last few years after Turbo conversion? How many blown engines have you been through again?

Jean@ActiveAutowerke · 05-24-2011, 09:19 PM

This thread has been taken a bit off topic...

In conclusion this thread was started with misleading info (whether implied or not); I am not pointing fingers. It was corrected although it seems the forum does not want to accept this.

Our chargers were ridiculed with no supporting data... That topic was touched on by myself and i've received no answer.

Thread then took a sharp turn to charge cooling, sadly I have no answer their either...

Now we are viewing glory runs. For what reason I am still unsure...

What you guys do not understand is we care nothing for glory runs. If you need such things to prove who knows what... Go ahead... Insecurity is not hard to spot... Especially with such antics. Not the first time either... Darn history keeps showing it's ugly mug time and time again...

Now we're being called out to street race... I offered a well covered track event as an alternative and i'm responded by a VBox number... Seriously...

In conclusion. Our system is designed to perform under serious conditions such as One lap, Homestead and Sebring (yes we've been there too) not for glory runs or to sell customers modified systems and compare them to other vendors standard systems.

I understand our system is not for everyone but lets at least have a civil discussion, especially among vendors... This most of all has been impossible...

Thanks for the entertainment and good night...

Jaypod · 05-24-2011, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m33

I willing and able to run a AA E9x M3 cause at the end of the day this discussion is about just that ! Not custom turbo cars , that's going off track let's stick to E9x M3's do I have any volunteers ???
Step up or sit down !

I will be at Watkins Glen next Mon/Tues if you want to make it to the track. Since you seem to do runs in Mexico in an afternoon - it should be very doable for you.....

Team Plutonium · 05-24-2011, 09:20 PM

Threads like these make me wanna buy a stroker motor or a G-Power kit instead. That back and forth was just sad....

tazam3 · 05-24-2011, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m33

I willing and able to run a AA E9x M3 cause at the end of the day this discussion is about just that ! Not custom turbo cars , that's going off track let's stick to E9x M3's do I have any volunteers ???
Step up or sit down !

Why not? After all this is now a "what company is better comparison." AJ wants to post up glory dyno's to show who makes more power. I still have yet to see more then 1 ESS S54 here lol...

How about an ESS S54 against then my car to be fair?

tazam3 · 05-24-2011, 09:25 PM

Im also surprised AA hasn't mentioned how you intentionally copied their e46 m3 air to air system after initially offering an air to water.. Remember how many years it took to try to release a system? But your right AJ air to air is no good... Or is it just more difficult? When at all possible air to air for the street just wins... Fact..

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05-24-2011, 09:19 PM	#128
Jean@ActiveAutowerke Lieutenant Drives: 335 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Miami Posts: 540 iTrader: (0)	This thread has been taken a bit off topic... In conclusion this thread was started with misleading info (whether implied or not); I am not pointing fingers. It was corrected although it seems the forum does not want to accept this. Our chargers were ridiculed with no supporting data... That topic was touched on by myself and i've received no answer. Thread then took a sharp turn to charge cooling, sadly I have no answer their either... Now we are viewing glory runs. For what reason I am still unsure... What you guys do not understand is we care nothing for glory runs. If you need such things to prove who knows what... Go ahead... Insecurity is not hard to spot... Especially with such antics. Not the first time either... Darn history keeps showing it's ugly mug time and time again... Now we're being called out to street race... I offered a well covered track event as an alternative and i'm responded by a VBox number... Seriously... In conclusion. Our system is designed to perform under serious conditions such as One lap, Homestead and Sebring (yes we've been there too) not for glory runs or to sell customers modified systems and compare them to other vendors standard systems. I understand our system is not for everyone but lets at least have a civil discussion, especially among vendors... This most of all has been impossible... Thanks for the entertainment and good night...

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tazam3 Private Drives: Turbo M3 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 84 iTrader: (0)	Im also surprised AA hasn't mentioned how you intentionally copied their e46 m3 air to air system after initially offering an air to water.. Remember how many years it took to try to release a system? But your right AJ air to air is no good... Or is it just more difficult? When at all possible air to air for the street just wins... Fact..