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      05-20-2011, 07:17 PM   #1
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New Motor Installation Pics

Yes, this is another rod bearing failure post, but mine has a happy ending!

Picked up a 2008 w/ 28k in March w/ all records since new that included more oil changes than recommended. 1 short road trip and 4 weeks worth of commuting later, the car made a loud noise & shut down. Dealership didn't give much in terms of info, just told me there was a major engine failure & a new motor was ordered on 4/28.

Motor arrived a few days ago, and my car is now "under the knife". My SA called w/ an update and invited me to come & see their progress.

Being an enthusiast who wouldn't miss this "operation" like a dad wanting to see the birth of his child (OK that's a stretch), I drove right over.

Pics, including a piece of the motor (they said a rod shot right through & have a chunk of the engine block somewhere) should be here:

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WOW lucky new motor back to 0 miles
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WOW lucky new motor back to 0 miles
I got a VERY nice deal on the car, and now, with a spanking new motor, I'm very pleased.

SA reminded me that I will have to break it in. I'm all good with that! I told them to take their time, but they said no worries, it should be ready by Tues or Wed of next week!
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Good luck with the new motor. But this makes me want to sell my 08.
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      05-20-2011, 07:39 PM   #5
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Good luck with the new motor. But this makes me want to sell my 08.
I'm not going to generalize this and say that more cars may have a "defect". In fact, I did a lot of research before buying the car, and never read or heard of any such problems. It was only when trying to make sense of this, I googled "2008 M3 engine problem", and stumbled upon 2 similar posts, including the one here somewhere with pics of oil all over.

My failure wasn't so dramatic, a service engine soon light (something like that), followed by a rough idle, a "metal-hitting-the-road" sound, and the car died. I checked & saw nothing under the car, metal, oil or otherwise.

BMW must've had some knowledge of something, as there were NO questions at all, and a brand new motor followed. Two thumbs up for BMW, for stepping up to the plate here.
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Yeah it seems more and more of these failures are surfacing. My e92 only has 20k on it but my warranty will be up next year. And yours went with 28k! That's crazy. My buddy wanted to trade me his e60 M5, might consider it now.
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crap i have 40k on my car but no problem whatsoever. so hoping this is good

btw to OP what was your production date.
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I lucked out, it seems.

My warranty is good thru Sept 2012. I will likely use this a a daily driver until then. If I don't experience any other probs (what else could go wrong that's "bigger" than this?) I will likely have only 40k on it & will turn it into a weekend ride.

With a new motor, and with the deal I got, this is certainly no investment, but worth hanging on to for an enthusiast.

*Even if BMW knew of something....with my new motor....I am willing to "let by-gone's be by-gone's"!
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crap i have 40k on my car but no problem whatsoever. so hoping this is good

btw to OP what was your production date.
I'm a newbie at this M3 thing and am the 2nd owner.

Where do I look for the production date...? I will be happy to check.
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i just called BMW i think i might get the powertrain warranty this shit is scaring me... LOL

i have an 08 with 40k so investing some on my engine doesnt hurt.
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      05-20-2011, 08:38 PM   #11
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i just called BMW i think i might get the powertrain warranty this shit is scaring me... LOL

i have an 08 with 40k so investing some on my engine doesnt hurt.
Good move.

I will also add that I was hesitant to buy a used performance ride and tried to take all precautions before purchasing.

This car was purchased new from the dealership I bought it at, serviced religiously (including the extra oil changes), and the dealership gave me a CARFAX, showing nothing but service (including the 1200 mile one). They performed the 36 or 38k service for me, which included the rear differential service, at 28k. The car was immaculate and could've passed for new.

Though I have not stumbled on any Youtube vids of this ride being raced, an engine designed to rev at these limits should not fall apart after being pushed.

*Worth noting, BMW was initially going to send a "remanufactured" engine, but my dealership arranged for a new one. This tells me "at least one other V8 engine" failed somewhere on this planet.
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Glad to hear BMW got you a brand new motor!
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Yes, this is another rod bearing failure post, but mine has a happy ending!
Good to hear, but am curious if you never heard the associated knocking when bearings start going bad. There have been many videos of the sound, which is quite obvious inside a garage. Never heard of an S65 engine going from perfect to BOOM!.

And yes, these threads make me a little uneasy. I was excited about reading another thread with M3s with 70K+ miles and no problems. Luck of the draw, I guess. And with my luck, I have reason to be concerned .
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Good to hear, but am curious if you never heard the associated knocking when bearings start going bad. There have been many videos of the sound, which is quite obvious inside a garage. Never heard of an S65 engine going from perfect to BOOM!.

And yes, these threads make me a little uneasy. I was excited about reading another thread with M3s with 70K+ miles and no problems. Luck of the draw, I guess. And with my luck, I have reason to be concerned .
Strange, yes. But regretfully, mine seems to have gone from "perfect to BOOM". It was more of a "clang-clang" to be exact. Sounded as though some large metal object fell and hit the street. There wasn't anything down there, but the tech told me that a rod shot right through the engine.

He specifically said it was due to a bad "rod bearing". Again, I don't know exact production numbers, but I would be willing to guess that based on what I have found (or not found!), these problems seem to be just a "luck of the draw" kind of thing. I have full confidence that the car is otherwise just fine, and now even better w/ a new motor.

They really didn't have to let me into their restricted area to see the car "in surgery", and as an enthusiast (I have some other, fun rides that can be viewed by clicking on the "back to tale of..." then click on "sets" in my original link, above) and a customer, I was really impressed.
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Strange, yes. But regretfully, mine seems to have gone from "perfect to BOOM". tech told me that a rod shot right through the engine.
Man, that's disturbing . But at the same time, you have no idea how the car was treated the first 28K miles, so we can't draw too many conclusions IMO.

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I have full confidence that the car is otherwise just fine, and now even better w/ a new motor.
That was the best possible solution you could have indeed . I'd NEVER be happy with a rebuilt engine, especially without replacing all bearings. So this certainly should give you piece of mind.
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Glad they took care of it OP. New motor awesome!!!
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this thread brings back some memories of the e46 M3 days...alot of 00-02" motors on the S54 blew motors due to rod bearing issues(oil pump)...the initial people were blamed for over-rev's and etc but it quickly became apparent there was a inherent flaw...a guy named Jason had a website where people would post their engine failures...believe he had over 120 documented failures....hard to blame on over-rev's when the failures were happening with SMG engines, which in theory, cannot be over rev'd.

There were recalls...I wrote a letter to the editor of Roundel speaking about it in 02' and how I thought it was ridiculous for BMW to blame the customers for these failures.

Shortly there after, there was a recall of the engines and the oil pumps were replaced...they also increased the warranty of these motors to 100K miles...I like to think I helped with this!...

Although the S65 motor seems to have "some" issues, its nothing like it was for the S54 motor....see below to read about this fiasco...read at bottom of page "the sky is falling--part II" if you want to read my post in Roundel Magazine from back in 2002 I believe.


http://www.yoy.com/yoy/auto/m3_failmedia.shtml#

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Very nice great to hear they were able to replace it without any problems
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Glad they took care of it OP. New motor awesome!!!
Absolutely - even my sales rep called me to tell me how bad he felt about the whole thing, and he commented on how "calm" I was despite having to wait several weeks.

I told him that stuff happens, and if my "biggest problem" is having to wait for my M3 to get back on the road, I have nothing to complain about. Every week, they called with updates (some delays), and continued to offer a BMW loaner. I passed on that part and took the time to get reaquainted with a few other cars that were just sitting since the M3 came along.

Buying this one used, I would've been totally OK with getting a "remanufactured" one, as was the plan originally. To get a brand new motor? Wow! Things couldn't have worked out better!!!
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Couple weeks is actually good... When i got my tranny replace it took one month cause no one in the us got one so they had to shipped it from Germany ...

I was just at the dealer and i ask about Rod Bearing failure and Said that this is cause by driving te car hard over revved or red lining which will lead to Rod Bearing Failure... Not sure how concrete the info is but he said he had 2 cases with engine replacement.

well lucky for u previous owner might have drove the car hard and now u got a new engine..
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Sh1t happens guys. GT3s combust far more often in my sphere of experience (PCA instructor). My E90 has 30K miles and over 5K track miles - it's fine. As was my E46 S54 with 35K track miles.
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