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      05-04-2011, 04:06 AM   #45
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Reports just in that Bin Laden's daughter claims he was captured then shot later. Again further proof that we can't be sure who to believe!
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Well that's what I think. I think there is a possibility that Obama's account about what happened may be true. However, there is a possibility that Bin Laden was already dead or that he is still alive and they are holding him right now.

The fact is that every newspaper and news channel have shown pictures of Obama making official announcements and showed pictures of the compound. That makes the whole thing seem real, but it doesn't actually mean it's true. People are starting with an assumption that the official story is true and then working all the other details out later e.g. was Bin Laden armed or not? We don't even know if he was there!

There are already conflicting stories coming out that Pakistan gave intel in 2009 about that compound yet America are saying they couldn't trust Pakistan. I guarantee people will take the U.S story over Pakistan because to most people it is a backward country full of terrorists and America is the world policeman always truthful.
In addition to what you have said, i would like to add few more words and questions.

When US began its first attack on the Iraq soil, it was live and televised around the globe, live, for more then 48 hours.

When US soldiers abused POW soldiers of Iraq, every TV set around the world was bombarded around the globe with video footage for weeks.

Year after year, documentaries have been filmed of many soldiers fighting in middle east against the enemy. Many more live feeds and documentaries have been presented to the world at every angle and aspect of the daily lives of the soldiers in the middle east.

But when a #1 enemy and the most wanted being in the fucking universe gets killed, yet for some magical reason US Govnt cant produce a single shred of evidence to save its own ass, we, The people of US, the Americans, supposed to believe what the President tells us? Are you fucking kidding me?????????? Please excuse my foul language, but as a Russian, i reserve the right to curse at the US Gvnt as i see fit.

If OBL is dead, and i think he is dead, and thats great. But please, get the all the facts out in the open to the public, the pictures, videos, to the media and to the people. This might sound crazy and you are more then welcome to call me sick, but i want to poke my finger in to the dead body of OBL.
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Reports just in that Bin Laden's daughter claims he was captured then shot later. Again further proof that we can't be sure who to believe!
I will quote two of my favorite people.


A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant and the crazy crazier.
H. L. Mencken

A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows the public opinion.
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Interesting take on things.



Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a false flag attack

Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.
The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.
Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.
Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.
“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.
“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.
“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.
“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.
Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.
“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.
“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”
Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”
Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.
Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.
During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.
“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.
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“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.
“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.
Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”
Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.
Watch the full interview with Dr. Pieczenik below.

http://www.infowars.com/top-us-gover...-a-false-flag/
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yes, yes very true up there
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Interesting take on things.

Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag
Very interesting. I am not a believer in 9/11 being an "inside job" or a false flag operation. However, as more evidence mounts up, if the body of evidence that I examine comes to indicate it was a false flag, then I will have to take that side. I do not trust big government. It is not our friend.

To me, the evidence I have seen brings me to the conclusion that it is as it was depicted on television, given to us by the federal government.

Often the official story remains the accepted story because it was there first, ready for our consumption. In some cases, a well-rehearsed, believable story. Think of the several times one woman fainted at each of several Obama rallies during his campaign for the Democrat party nomination. Obama gave each one of them a bottle of water or directed them to receive help. It was pure theater, yet the crowds ate it up.
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If OBL's been dead since 2001, as claimed by Dr. Pieczenik, my first question is why didn't Bush Jr. take credit for the "kill", especially during the waning years of his Presidency, so as to salvage whatever public opinion he had left? Why bother keeping it under wraps at that point?

Just sayin' ...
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If OBL's been dead since 2001, as claimed by Dr. Pieczenik, my first question is why didn't Bush Jr. take credit for the "kill", especially during the waning years of his Presidency, so as to salvage whatever public opinion he had left? Why bother keeping it under wraps at that point?

Just sayin' ...
"Killing" Bin Laden could be used as almost a "success" of the Afghan war. I hate to use that word because I know how many people have died. It can also be used to show that America is not incompetent and can be used to justify the last 10 years of spending taxpayers money in wars. Not to mention the huge favours it does for Obama who wasn't looking good up till now.

Bush was always going to be an idiot after the Iraq war. At least now Obama looks like the guy who came in and cleaned everything up. Lying bastard he is though. Iraq and Afghanistan wars are still happening, Guantanamo Bay is still running, and now we have to just take Obama's word that they killed Bin Laden...
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can be used to justify the last 10 years of spending taxpayers money in wars.
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Very interesting. I am not a believer in 9/11 being an "inside job" or a false flag operation. However, as more evidence mounts up, if the body of evidence that I examine comes to indicate it was a false flag, then I will have to take that side. I do not trust big government. It is not our friend.

To me, the evidence I have seen brings me to the conclusion that it is as it was depicted on television, given to us by the federal government.

Often the official story remains the accepted story because it was there first, ready for our consumption. In some cases, a well-rehearsed, believable story. Think of the several times one woman fainted at each of several Obama rallies during his campaign for the Democrat party nomination. Obama gave each one of them a bottle of water or directed them to receive help. It was pure theater, yet the crowds ate it up.
You should read this about false flag operations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Lots of things about 9/11 just don't add up. I don't fully believe the story I posted but at least it gets us thinking about wtf is really going on.

Jessie Venture seems to be the only person out there who sincerely cares about our country, does not play politics and is trying to get to the truth.

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/201...-their-agenda/

Some examples of them changing the truth to suit their purposes.

Jessica Lynch

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch

Pat Tillman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman

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You should read this about false flag operations.
Thanks for that. It looks like a lot to absorb. Interesting stuff.
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