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      05-03-2011, 08:43 PM   #1
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No need to work out biceps?

So i was talking to this juice head that works at starbucks and he laughed at me when I told him I do legs and biceps in one day. And I quote "brahh you don't need to work your biceps out, they get enough exercise when you're doing other muscles." I donno how I feel about this but if I don't work my biceps out they don't look as big.

Any truth to this?
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I do Biceps on days where I don't do anything that incorporates biceps into my workout. Like the days you do Legs...

I don't agree with the "brah @ starbucks".
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his statement is sound...nothing but sound. Apparently he is the next expert in the field. Strange that he is working at starbucks and not an elite personal trainer as his knowledge about exercise is incredible
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lol you need to work on all aspects and body parts! Don't listen to that fool ;P
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in ways it does make sense, but chances are most people don't do enough of the other exercises to not work out their biceps - such as chin ups with a hold, pull ups using "hammer" grip, mostly pull exercises utilize bicep muscles - but very few people actually have a pure pull up back routine

plenty of exercises that incorporates biceps which people don't do, so what he says makes sense probably for him if he does those exercises otherwise if your just starting up - you should do biceps anyways and build up the base
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Everyone is an expert it seems with fitness. Do what works for you. Personally, I work out biceps with chest because that's most convenient for me. Some people separate the two or combine them with other things. Biceps will be worked with lots of other exercises, but they won't be targeted if they aren't the focus of the exercise. Why build them up as secondary muscles when they aren't secondary muscles? Plus, it's fun working out biceps.
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ya i figured it was bro-science
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If your bi's/tri's are getting huge from your other exercises, you probably aren't doing them right. My bi's are never pumped after rows, the same with my tri's after any form of bench press/flys.
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If your bi's/tri's are getting huge from your other exercises, you probably aren't doing them right. My bi's are never pumped after rows, the same with my tri's after any form of bench press/flys.
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I switch between high-intensity full body workouts and muscle group workouts every few weeks, but I almost always do back/bis together. If I do them separately (occasionally I'll dedicate a day to a single muscle group) I tend to not be able to push myself as hard as I'd like, since the other muscle is still recovering but is also involved in the lift.

I try my best not to take health & fitness advice from people working at Starbucks... I hesitate to take coffee advice from people working at Starbucks... plus their "Protien Plate" is shit.
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In regards to bi's, I usually work them out the same day as I work out my back. I do back first since it's the bigger muscle and it also works out your bi's indirectly. by the time I get to bi's I can't lift as hard/much as I normally would had I worked out my biceps before back. I believe the term is called compound exercises? A coworker of mine who's in his 40s used to be Mr. USA and was runner up to Mr. Universe back in the 70s so I usually ask him for some tips. I think some ways of working out won't always work for others.
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Some truth to what he said actually. You work out bi's in a ton of exercises. Beginning weightlifters usually just do bicep exercises 24/7 which halts their progress..


Oh yeah, and just do what works for you. Don't listen to what anyone else has to say. If you are already making progress on your own you must be doing something right.
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My last trainer had me doing 1 day a week of pull up burn outs and nothing else. Vary the grip each set and just do as many as you can each set until you can't lift yourself anymore.

It was nice because that gym had an assisted dip/pull up machine. So I saw the progress each week as you dropped the assist off. New gym is old skool so I'll walk in do like 4-5 sets and maybe 40-50 pull ups till I'm spent and leave. The young high school kids give me the weirdest look since I'm only there for 20 minutes. The have the concept that you must be at the gym for 1 hour and take 5 minutes between reps haha

I really liked that trainer. He was a no fuss type. Most things he had you super set. Most rests were never longer then a minute, usually less. He felt that you should typically never have to be in the gym longer then 30-45 minutes unless you're trying to be a body builder.
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Some truth to what he said actually. You work out bi's in a ton of exercises. Beginning weightlifters usually just do bicep exercises 24/7 which halts their progress..


Oh yeah, and just do what works for you. Don't listen to what anyone else has to say. If you are already making progress on your own you must be doing something right.
Not necessarily true. When you first start out, you'll see "newbie gains" pretty quickly, no matter how shitty your lifting routine/form/sleep/diet is. It's only after those gains taper off that you can really tell what you're doing right/wrong (if you can let your pride go for a bit, that is).
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Not necessarily true. When you first start out, you'll see "newbie gains" pretty quickly, no matter how shitty your lifting routine/form/sleep/diet is. It's only after those gains taper off that you can really tell what you're doing right/wrong (if you can let your pride go for a bit, that is).

Yup, because at first what you see is fluid expanding the muscles so they look big fast, but then it takes time to actually build muscle. If you work out for a month, then stop for a two weeks, all the muscle bulge will be gone.
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definitely work them out, although they do get pumped with other muscle groups, its good to train them isolated as well. imo
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That's like saying bench pressing will train your triceps adequately. It will a little but not really.
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Not necessarily true. When you first start out, you'll see "newbie gains" pretty quickly, no matter how shitty your lifting routine/form/sleep/diet is. It's only after those gains taper off that you can really tell what you're doing right/wrong (if you can let your pride go for a bit, that is).
Yes, well this is obviously true too. It applies to a lot of other things too, like losing weight. A lot easier to lose the belly fat initially but as you keep losing the weight it requires exponentially more effort to have a 6 pack, for example. A lot easier to drop from 20% body fat to like 10%, but then much harder to go from 10% to 5% (to get shredded).
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So i was talking to this juice head that works at starbucks and he laughed at me when I told him I do legs and biceps in one day. And I quote "brahh you don't need to work your biceps out, they get enough exercise when you're doing other muscles." I donno how I feel about this but if I don't work my biceps out they don't look as big.

Any truth to this?
Yes and no.

If you have your routine together, and have a solid back work out, no, bicep exercises wouldn't be 'needed'. Deadlifts, pull up variations, rows, pull downs, various kettle bell movements, etc provide quite a bit of stimulation [giggity] to the biceps, which are extremely small BTW.

Despite this I still like to isolate them if for no other reason than self satisfaction. There are 2 specific curls that I do, however, that I do feel are helpful.

Reverse grip curls, I use an ez bar with fixed weight, hands over the top, curl with strict form.

Hammer curls.

As far as reps, with biceps I do real low reps high weight, They get trained well on back days so if I'm trying to gain anything by isolating them it's just mass.
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LOVE hammers and I like reverse grip too. I use the latter (with mildly different form) for forearms as well.
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So i was talking to this juice head that works at starbucks and he laughed at me when I told him I do legs and biceps in one day. And I quote "brahh you don't need to work your biceps out, they get enough exercise when you're doing other muscles." I donno how I feel about this but if I don't work my biceps out they don't look as big.

Any truth to this?
Hey, I never told you that...!?


Work every muscle. Just because it gets "secondary" exercise doesn't mean you shouldn't work it. If this was the case, you wouldn't have to work triceps because they get worked when you do chest.

Don't listen to juiceheads (real ones)...
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