Where is Osama's death certificate?

radix · 05-02-2011, 04:21 AM

Is there a vast left wing conspiracy to convince the American populace that Osama bin Laden is dead in order to make the Dems look good before the election, or is he really dead? What do you think? Is this a populist ploy to gain voters, or is bin Laden really dead? Where is the death certificate? Why hasn't Obama come forward with it? What is he hiding?

timmahh · 05-02-2011, 10:41 AM

PROBABLY BECAUSE OF HOMOSEXUALS

/threadlock

bmw-nj · 05-02-2011, 10:44 AM

I don't believe all the conspiracy theories on everything that happens but it is bad timing for the Republicans. And Trump is not helping us either.

timmahh · 05-02-2011, 10:47 AM

(osama wasn't american so there prolly isn't a death certificate fyi)

BTM · 05-02-2011, 11:09 AM

lol

BTM · 05-02-2011, 11:10 AM

@ tag

timmahh · 05-02-2011, 11:15 AM

^ lols

solefald · 05-02-2011, 12:09 PM

hold on, let me call Fred Phelps...

timmahh · 05-02-2011, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solefald

hold on, let me call Fred Phelps...

OMG that man absolutely freaks me out. It's like looking at the devil himself.

secretsquirrel · 05-02-2011, 02:47 PM

tony20009 · 05-02-2011, 10:12 PM

I'm thrilled that Osama was found, but I have to admit a bit of uncertainty of just what to think of the whole scenario as it was presented to me. What I'm getting at is that the US military buried the guy at sea and as far as I know, nobody besides the US Government's personnel have actually seen the body.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not big on conspiracy theories. I know we landed on the moon, but even if we didn't, so what? I don't know who the second gunman was that killed Kennedy, but it doesn't really matter for the subsequent sequence of events following Kennedy's death was not going to be altered. And there's no way the US Gov't staged the 9/11 attacks.

But with Bin Laden's death, there are so many ways that the military could have presented a corpse for others to observe. After all, news reports say the assault team that found him got in and out in 45 minutes. That leaves quite a long while for them to fly that body to any number of nearby locales -- Turkey, Greece, India, China, Russia, the UK, or any number of other places -- so other folks could see the body and say so, and yet leave sufficient time to have the dude buried in accordance with Islamic guidelines. But that's not what they did.

Now, in a world that was substantively chomping at the bit to see the end of Osama, were I running things, I'd want there to never be any question that I actually got the guy. But that's not how the situation was handled, and though I'm not directly saying the government is lying, I don't like one bit that there is the possibility that they are. It cannot be denied that his death is not incontrovertibly known.

So one has to ask, well, what would be the point of staging his death?

* To boost political fortunes
* To establish a basis for moving on to other things
* To hold the dude captive and use "persuasive techniques" to obtain additional information from him -- names, locations, financing networks and methods, current states of training and readiness, operational tactics and networks, etc...the possibilities are limitless -- and quietly dispose of him later.
* To palliate the public's need for closure on the matter
* All of the above

Osama Bin Laden was but one man. And though a charismatic leader for his merry band of terrorists, as an individual, he was already effectively neutralized insofar as what he could actually do. He hardly is the sole person in Al Qaeda with "innovative" ideas or with the ability to mobilize and motivate others. He was just the most well known figure in that organization. So now, he's dead; he's becomes a rallying cry rather than a living role model. The affect on his followers is the same either way. After all, whatever teachings, methodologies and themes he may have promulgated would surely, over the past decade, been shared with the other leaders in the organization, so what's really lost upon his passing? The US hasn't lost much, a helicopter it seems is about it. We haven't lost terribly much (with apologies to those whose loved ones have died pursuing the war on terror) in ten years, aside from the resources expended to find the guy and his woefully fragmented network. Indeed, as deplorable as the 9/11 events were, their combined loss of life pales in comparison to the losses suffered by the groups that orchestrated those events.

Alas, it's not what's lost, but what's gained. Does the military and intelligence community now have a basis for increased funding/spending because the face of the enemy is now unknown and it's more expensive to hunt an enemy whom you cannot identify? How does the nature of the national security debate change, and who benefits from that change?

The world is undoubtedly a better place without Osama, but it would sure be nice to KNOW he's really gone. To me, the way the government handled his capture goes hard against the grain of the President's catch phrase, "Let me be clear..." Unfortunately, there's just nothing clear about it.

(FWIW, I am a Democrat. But that doesn't impugn my ability to reasonably assess the facts as they are presented to me about this matter, or any other position/policy/action either/any partypursues.)

11Series · 05-03-2011, 12:36 AM

Hey tony,

Talking about conspiracies, did you hear that Michelle Bachmann was actually born in Canada? And that Tim Pawlenty's middle name is Mubarak?

Anyways, Obama got Osama, so you don't have to worry about Bin Laden anymore.

But if you want to see video, I'm sure Obama can have another press conference. How about next Sunday, 9 PM, 8 PM Central time?

SteveMD · 05-03-2011, 08:28 AM

Hey Tony, you're missing one small detail. If Bin Laden is really alive, he is quite capable of proving it.

How stupid would our government look if a new verifiable video pops up?

He's dead Jim.

tony20009 · 05-03-2011, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveMD

Hey Tony, you're missing one small detail. If Bin Laden is really alive, he is quite capable of proving it.

How stupid would our government look if a new verifiable video pops up?

He's dead Jim.

If he's being held captive, he couldn't. I don't doubt that they found and captured him. I just don't know for sure he's dead.

11Series · 05-03-2011, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony20009

If he's being held captive, he couldn't. I don't doubt that they found and captured him. I just don't know for sure he's dead.

You must have a bad case of the Butt Monkeys. As in, Bin Laden is alive, when monkeys fly out your ass.

Obama got Osama. Bin Laden is dead.

tony20009 · 05-03-2011, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 11Series

You must have a bad case of the Butt Monkeys. As in, Bin Laden is alive, when monkeys fly out your ass.

Obama got Osama. Bin Laden is dead.

I hope you are correct.

As I said in the post...given that the opportunity existed to provide incontrovertible, demonstrable proof, why didn't they? Wouldn't you?

InCityPhoto · 05-03-2011, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony20009

I hope you are correct.

As I said in the post...given that the opportunity existed to provide incontrovertible, demonstrable proof, why didn't they? Wouldn't you?

Kinda like when the other guy we caught, we had video's on Youtube of the hanging SAME DAY!

Just so we are clear..

radix · 05-03-2011, 12:38 PM

I can't believe someone took my post seriously. On second thought, perhaps I can.

11Series · 05-03-2011, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InCityPhoto

Kinda like when the other guy we caught, we had video's on Youtube of the hanging SAME DAY!

Just so we are clear..

Yea, and that Sadam video is still being used in Iraq to recruit more terrorists to attack US soldiers, putting US soldiers in harm's way.

So you want do make the same mistake again, and give the terrorists even more recruiting material? Just because some anti-Obama flat-earther Birthtards can't handle that Obama got Osama? Get over yourself.

Real decisions are being made by real adults. Keep out of the way.

11Series · 05-03-2011, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony20009

I hope you are correct.

As I said in the post...given that the opportunity existed to provide incontrovertible, demonstrable proof, why didn't they? Wouldn't you?

Fuck no I wouldn't! I'm not going to give no god-damn terrorists a single bit of video recruitment tools for them to use to recruit more terrorists.

If I'm the President, I'm going to get Bin Laden dead, screw the folks who wouldn't accept my birth certificate. The important part to me is that I got Osama dead.

On to the next important decision. Like whether to wait until 9:15 PM or 9:35 PM next Sunday to break into Celeb. Apprentice to announce we got Quadaffi.

M3Bahn · 05-03-2011, 01:25 PM

He forgot to take a screen shot

InCityPhoto · 05-03-2011, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 11Series

Yea, and that Sadam video is still being used in Iraq to recruit more terrorists to attack US soldiers, putting US soldiers in harm's way.

So you want do make the same mistake again, and give the terrorists even more recruiting material? Just because some anti-Obama flat-earther Birthtards can't handle that Obama got Osama? Get over yourself.

Real decisions are being made by real adults. Keep out of the way.

You are so lost it humors me,

Real adult stuff.. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

05-02-2011, 04:21 AM	#1
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05-02-2011, 10:47 AM	#4
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05-02-2011, 11:15 AM	#7
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05-02-2011, 10:12 PM	#11
tony20009 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: BMW 335i - Coupe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,958 iTrader: (0)	I'm thrilled that Osama was found, but I have to admit a bit of uncertainty of just what to think of the whole scenario as it was presented to me. What I'm getting at is that the US military buried the guy at sea and as far as I know, nobody besides the US Government's personnel have actually seen the body. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not big on conspiracy theories. I know we landed on the moon, but even if we didn't, so what? I don't know who the second gunman was that killed Kennedy, but it doesn't really matter for the subsequent sequence of events following Kennedy's death was not going to be altered. And there's no way the US Gov't staged the 9/11 attacks. But with Bin Laden's death, there are so many ways that the military could have presented a corpse for others to observe. After all, news reports say the assault team that found him got in and out in 45 minutes. That leaves quite a long while for them to fly that body to any number of nearby locales -- Turkey, Greece, India, China, Russia, the UK, or any number of other places -- so other folks could see the body and say so, and yet leave sufficient time to have the dude buried in accordance with Islamic guidelines. But that's not what they did. Now, in a world that was substantively chomping at the bit to see the end of Osama, were I running things, I'd want there to never be any question that I actually got the guy. But that's not how the situation was handled, and though I'm not directly saying the government is lying, I don't like one bit that there is the possibility that they are. It cannot be denied that his death is not incontrovertibly known. So one has to ask, well, what would be the point of staging his death? * To boost political fortunes * To establish a basis for moving on to other things * To hold the dude captive and use "persuasive techniques" to obtain additional information from him -- names, locations, financing networks and methods, current states of training and readiness, operational tactics and networks, etc...the possibilities are limitless -- and quietly dispose of him later. * To palliate the public's need for closure on the matter * All of the above Osama Bin Laden was but one man. And though a charismatic leader for his merry band of terrorists, as an individual, he was already effectively neutralized insofar as what he could actually do. He hardly is the sole person in Al Qaeda with "innovative" ideas or with the ability to mobilize and motivate others. He was just the most well known figure in that organization. So now, he's dead; he's becomes a rallying cry rather than a living role model. The affect on his followers is the same either way. After all, whatever teachings, methodologies and themes he may have promulgated would surely, over the past decade, been shared with the other leaders in the organization, so what's really lost upon his passing? The US hasn't lost much, a helicopter it seems is about it. We haven't lost terribly much (with apologies to those whose loved ones have died pursuing the war on terror) in ten years, aside from the resources expended to find the guy and his woefully fragmented network. Indeed, as deplorable as the 9/11 events were, their combined loss of life pales in comparison to the losses suffered by the groups that orchestrated those events. Alas, it's not what's lost, but what's gained. Does the military and intelligence community now have a basis for increased funding/spending because the face of the enemy is now unknown and it's more expensive to hunt an enemy whom you cannot identify? How does the nature of the national security debate change, and who benefits from that change? The world is undoubtedly a better place without Osama, but it would sure be nice to KNOW he's really gone. To me, the way the government handled his capture goes hard against the grain of the President's catch phrase, "Let me be clear..." Unfortunately, there's just nothing clear about it. (FWIW, I am a Democrat. But that doesn't impugn my ability to reasonably assess the facts as they are presented to me about this matter, or any other position/policy/action either/any partypursues.) __________________ Cheers, Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ '07, e92 335i, *Sparkling Graphite, Coral Leather, Aluminum, 6-speed*

05-03-2011, 12:36 AM	#12
11Series . Drives: BMW turned up to 11 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: These things go to eleven Posts: 668 iTrader: (0)	Hey tony, Talking about conspiracies, did you hear that Michelle Bachmann was actually born in Canada? And that Tim Pawlenty's middle name is Mubarak? Anyways, Obama got Osama, so you don't have to worry about Bin Laden anymore. But if you want to see video, I'm sure Obama can have another press conference. How about next Sunday, 9 PM, 8 PM Central time?

05-03-2011, 08:28 AM	#13
SteveMD Colonel Drives: '09 335i, '11 GTI DSG Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Raventown! Posts: 2,252 iTrader: (3) Garage List 2009 BMW 335i [0.00] 2006 330i [0.00]	Hey Tony, you're missing one small detail. If Bin Laden is really alive, he is quite capable of proving it. How stupid would our government look if a new verifiable video pops up? He's dead Jim. __________________ 2009 E90 335i One mod: JB4 - Best 1/4: 12.782@108.54mph 2011 VW GTI/DSG See me for Industrial Electronic Repair.

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radix Ʃ Drives: - Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: - Posts: 883 iTrader: (0)	I can't believe someone took my post seriously. On second thought, perhaps I can. __________________ 0 -> 1

05-03-2011, 01:25 PM	#21
M3Bahn Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ATL Posts: 487 iTrader: (0)	He forgot to take a screen shot

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