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      05-02-2011, 09:53 PM   #1
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Are you not a bit surprised ?

I'm thrilled that Osama was found, but I have to admit a bit of uncertainty of just what to think of the whole scenario as it was presented to me. What I'm getting at is that the US military buried the guy at sea and as far as I know, nobody besides the US Government's personnel have actually seen the body.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not big on conspiracy theories. I know we landed on the moon, but even if we didn't, so what? I don't know who the second gunman was that killed Kennedy, but it doesn't really matter for the subsequent sequence of events following Kennedy's death was not going to be altered. And there's no way the US Gov't staged the 9/11 attacks.

But with Bin Laden's death, there are so many ways that the military could have presented a corpse for others to observe. After all, news reports say the assault team that found him got in and out in 45 minutes. That leaves quite a long while for them to fly that body to any number of nearby locales -- Turkey, Greece, India, China, Russia, the UK, or any number of other places -- so other folks could see the body and say so, and yet leave sufficient time to have the dude buried in accordance with Islamic guidelines. But that's not what they did.

Now, in a world that was substantively chomping at the bit to see the end of Osama, were I running things, I'd want there to never be any question that I actually got the guy. But that's not how the situation was handled, and though I'm not directly saying the government is lying, I don't like one bit that there is the possibility that they are. It cannot be denied that his death is not incontrovertibly known.

So one has to ask, well, what would be the point of staging his death?
  • To boost political fortunes
  • To establish a basis for moving on to other things
  • To hold the dude captive and use "persuasive techniques" to obtain additional information from him -- names, locations, financing networks and methods, current states of training and readiness, operational tactics and networks, etc...the possibilities are limitless -- and quietly dispose of him later.
  • To palliate the public's need for closure on the matter
  • All of the above

Osama Bin Laden was but one man. And though a charismatic leader for his merry band of terrorists, as an individual, he was already effectively neutralized insofar as what he could actually do. He hardly is the sole person in Al Qaeda with "innovative" ideas or with the ability to mobilize and motivate others. He was just the most well known figure in that organization. So now, he's dead; he's becomes a rallying cry rather than a living role model. The affect on his followers is the same either way. After all, whatever teachings, methodologies and themes he may have promulgated would surely, over the past decade, been shared with the other leaders in the organization, so what's really lost upon his passing? The US hasn't lost much, a helicopter it seems is about it. We haven't lost terribly much (with apologies to those whose loved ones have died pursuing the war on terror) in ten years, aside from the resources expended to find the guy and his woefully fragmented network. Indeed, as deplorable as the 9/11 events were, their combined loss of life pales in comparison to the losses suffered by the groups that orchestrated those events.

Alas, it's not what's lost, but what's gained. Does the military and intelligence community now have a basis for increased funding/spending because the face of the enemy is now unknown and it's more expensive to hunt an enemy whom you cannot identify? How does the nature of the national security debate change, and who benefits from that change?

The world is undoubtedly a better place without Osama, but it would sure be nice to KNOW he's really gone. To me, the way the government handled his capture goes hard against the grain of the President's catch phrase, "Let me be clear..." Unfortunately, there's just nothing clear about it.
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I have come to one conclusion after being raped in the ass by US Government over and over.

Im moving to Canada. I will live in a igloo and race my car on track made out of ice.
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Tony, talking about conspiracies, did you hear that Michelle Bachmann was actually born in Canada? And that Tim Pawlenty's middle name is Mubarak?

Anyways, Obama got Osama, so you don't have to worry about Bin Laden anymore.

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I have come to one conclusion after being raped in the ass by US Government over and over.

Im moving to Canada. I will live in a igloo and race my car on track made out of ice.

Goodbye, and don't let the door hit ya where the US gov't split ya.
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Talking about conspiracies, did you hear that Michelle Bachmann was actually born in Canada? And that Tim Pawlenty's middle name is Mubarak?

Anyways, Obama got Osama, so you don't have to worry about Bin Laden anymore.
She was born in a town called Waterloo. There is a town in Canada with same exact name.
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She was born in a town called Waterloo. There is a town in Canada with same exact name.
Thanks for collaborating Bachmann's birth in Canada. Now hurry up and make good with your promise to move there. You can vote for her once you've finished your move to Canada.
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Thanks for collaborating Bachmann's birth in Canada.
I didnt collaborate anything. This theory of yours is pointless.

And no one cares that some one has a middle name Mubarak.
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And there's no way the US Gov't staged the 9/11 attacks.
While I agree that the moon landing was real I think you should do a little more research on the above quote.
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I didnt collaborate anything. This theory of yours is pointless.

And no one cares that some one has a middle name Mubarak.

Of course it is pointless. Just like this thread.

The only good point in this whole thread is you moving to Canada. Take bhd with you. And take Texas too. They keep whining and crying about getting out of the US too.
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Of course it is pointless. Just like this thread.

The only good point in this whole thread is you moving to Canada. Take bhd with you. And take Texas too. They keep whining and crying about getting out of the US too.

BHD and the State of Texas? What???
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BHD and the State of Texas? What???

There will be a letter explaining it all to you in Quebec.

Now Goodbye, and don't let the door hit ya where the US gov't split ya.
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Now Goodbye, and don't let the door hit ya where the US gov't split ya.

Is that how kids talk in HS now days?

The US gvt split me? Wtf does that even mean?
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lol this is the reason why I never came into the politics section. Some people just can't handle what is in front of their eyes.
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lol this is the reason why I never came into the politics section. Some people just can't handle what is in front of their eyes.

Its far more peaceful and educational for most part on this forum. You should have seen the forum i left, where i tried to have any civil discussion about anything in the last few years. Every argument was fought with constant name calling that would make a sailor blush.
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lol this is the reason why I never came into the politics section. Some people just can't handle what is in front of their eyes.
go to greece ya noob
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And no one cares that some one has a middle name Mubarak.
LOTS of people care when someone's middle name is Hussein, so why is this any different?
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after being raped in the ass by US Government
That's where the gov't split ya -- according to your accounts.


I guess the joke didn't translate well into your native tongue of French Canadian. Send us a letter from Quebec once you have one of your French Canadian buddies explain it to you.
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Tony, talking about conspiracies, did you hear that Michelle Bachmann was actually born in Canada? And that Tim Pawlenty's middle name is Mubarak?
OK, this has gone on long enough

These were jokes delivered by Obama at the WH Correspondent's Dinner. Except he didn't say "Mubarak", he said "Hosni".
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OK, this has gone on long enough

These were jokes delivered by Obama at the WH Correspondent's Dinner. Except he didn't say "Mubarak", he said "Hosni".
I know...that's why I didn't respond to the comment.
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OK, this has gone on long enough

These were jokes delivered by Obama at the WH Correspondent's Dinner. Except he didn't say "Mubarak", he said "Hosni".



Obama definitely brought the hammer to the Correspondent's Dinner. Did you see how Trump became a robot and couldn't even laugh at the jokes? He was this island of "can't take a joke" surrounded by a sea of laughter.

I'm just waiting for Tony to understand his post is just as much a joke.

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Obama definitely brought the hammer to the Correspondent's Dinner. Did you see how Trump became a robot and couldn't even laugh at the jokes? He was this island of "can't take a joke" surrounded by a sea of laughter.

I'm just waiting for Tony to understand his post is just as much a joke.

All I could think of was don't dish it out if you can't take it from his reaction.
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