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      04-28-2011, 01:35 PM   #67
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What's the point of being a cop if you can't speed with impunity?
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I guess there's nothing stopping anyone from joining the force if they so desire.
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What's the point of being a cop if you can't speed with impunity?
To catch speeders and get paid doing so?
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      04-28-2011, 01:39 PM   #70
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Police officers give other police officers tickets.
you're still dodging my question.
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      04-28-2011, 01:45 PM   #71
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I guess there's nothing stopping anyone from joining the force if they so desire.
Maan, you just opened a can of worms with your original harsh judgmental comment and now with your hypocrisy!! Please don't strengthen the shady idea most people have about policemen being judgmental hypocrites. Let me live believing that most of them are reasonable and level headed.
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you're still dodging my question.
Again, the law is very clear.
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Again, the law is very clear.
the law is clear, but the issue I'm debating and you're avoiding is the implementation of the law. you said that the officer has discretion; therein lies the problem.

I'll make this easier for you. just answer this - if you were pulled over for doing 41mph over the speed limit, would you go to jail?

the answer is that you most likely would not, and you can't deny that you would plead with the officer to not go to jail, and you'd feel cheated if the officer did send you to jail. I'm not saying you'd be wrong for feeling that way, but I do think it's completely hypocritical to have the holier-than-thou attitude you've had in this thread if you wouldn't willingly (i.e. without pleading for mercy or special treatment) go to jail for a jail-able offense.
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      04-28-2011, 02:49 PM   #74
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To catch speeders and get paid doing so?

Cops can't catch me because I drive an M3 and I'm invincible. And I drive faster than a radio signal.
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the law is clear, but the issue I'm debating and you're avoiding is the implementation of the law. you said that the officer has discretion; therein lies the problem.

I'll make this easier for you. just answer this - if you were pulled over for doing 41mph over the speed limit, would you go to jail?

the answer is that you most likely would not, and you can't deny that you would plead with the officer to not go to jail, and you'd feel cheated if the officer did send you to jail. I'm not saying you'd be wrong for feeling that way, but I do think it's completely hypocritical to have the holier-than-thou attitude you've had in this thread if you wouldn't willingly (i.e. without pleading for mercy or special treatment) go to jail for a jail-able offense.
Again, the track is there for going that fast. If you go to the track, the law isn't broken. Therefore, there is no reason to be pulled over in the first place. Again, you should have went to jail for breaking that law, but the discretion of the officer did not send him.
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Again, the track is there for going that fast. If you go to the track, the law isn't broken. Therefore, there is no reason to be pulled over in the first place. Again, you should have went to jail for breaking that law, but the discretion of the officer did not send him.
I give up. This is like arguing with a democrat - you choose to continually avoid the issue. good day, sir.
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you're still dodging my question.
He is not going to answer you, don't waste your time!

And I have seen so many cases that cops were speeding and they got pulled over and they didn't get any ticket!
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the law is clear, but the issue I'm debating and you're avoiding is the implementation of the law. you said that the officer has discretion; therein lies the problem.

I'll make this easier for you. just answer this - if you were pulled over for doing 41mph over the speed limit, would you go to jail?

the answer is that you most likely would not, and you can't deny that you would plead with the officer to not go to jail, and you'd feel cheated if the officer did send you to jail. I'm not saying you'd be wrong for feeling that way, but I do think it's completely hypocritical to have the holier-than-thou attitude you've had in this thread if you wouldn't willingly (i.e. without pleading for mercy or special treatment) go to jail for a jail-able offense.
You made your point and we're probably all in agreement. And, quit trying to get a LEO to admit to this online, bcuz he won't.
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I give up. This is like arguing with a democrat - you choose to continually avoid the issue. good day, sir.
He cant and he wont answer your question, other wise him and all police officers that he is protecting will be open to public scrutiny and ridiculed on every car forum.
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Again, the track is there for going that fast. If you go to the track, the law isn't broken. Therefore, there is no reason to be pulled over in the first place. Again, you should have went to jail for breaking that law, but the discretion of the officer did not send him.
I believe it depends on the circumstances.

I do not believe that X over speed limit should = Jail every time.

The key question of Brosef's that you have failed to address is whether you have ever sped on main roads in excess of 30 MPH over the speed limit with the vehicles you have listed in your signature. If you can address that for us, i think we can put this thread to rest. If you're worried about divulging that information on here, then we'll just assume you're a hypocrite.
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Maan, you just opened a can of worms with your original harsh judgmental comment and now with your hypocrisy!! Please don't strengthen the shady idea most people have about policemen being judgmental hypocrites. Let me live believing that most of them are reasonable and level headed.
Which judgmental comment?

I think most officers will let another officer go if the issue was just one of revenue. However, if there was clearly a case of danger (for example DUI, felony etc.), then I would expect (or hope) they would write the ticket. And I think officers know that - otherwise they'd all be driving 100mph on the freeway, running red lights etc. with impunity. Example - http://xfinitytv.comcast.net/tv/21-J...he-Road/videos

Say a cop let's another one off - so what? Less revenue for the city? It makes your chance of getting a ticket higher? Just make it up on the next person. Shouldn't we each be more concerned about what happens to ourselves rather than if someone else is catching a break and if it's fair or not? I learned a long time ago that life is unfair and just saying so will not make one difference. I hear this all the time (from my kids).

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I like that life is unfair, as long as it is unfair in my favor.
Well said.
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You made your point and we're probably all in agreement. And, quit trying to get a LEO to admit to this online, bcuz he won't.
I don't care if he admits that he expects special treatment from fellow LEO. Everyone knows the answer to that, and it doesn't even bother me. I have tremendous respect for police officers and the service that they provide.

I just think that he's being hypocritical here for pointing the finger at those who speed, which is something that too many people do on this forum. you don't have to condone speeding or breaking the law to keep useless comments to yourself such as, "you shouldn't have been speeding." wow, how insightful. nobody should break the law, LEO and ordinary citizens alike.
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I don't care if he admits that he expects special treatment from fellow LEO. Everyone knows the answer to that, and it doesn't even bother me. I have tremendous respect for police officers and the service that they provide.

I just think that he's being hypocritical here for pointing the finger at those who speed, which is something that too many people do on this forum. you don't have to condone speeding or breaking the law to keep useless comments to yourself such as, "you shouldn't have been speeding." wow, how insightful. nobody should break the law, LEO and ordinary citizens alike.
Agreed.
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Well, when I was young and severely dumb... I was going 120 (cop put 105+) on a 65 (hwy).

Was $1,750 (around 2007 - when ticket prices doubled for speeding), and it was only two points. I'm not sure why NY makes it eleven points, it's pretty harsh - but I hope you can get it reduced as low as possible.

2 POINTS!! wow thats very generous for going almost double the posted limit. Back in the days ie: 1994, I got pulled over by NY state troopers on route 17 doing 120. The trooper wrote the ticket for 105, and I still had to get a lawyer, pay $1700 ticket and do 100 hours of community service (which I did at my local parish) as part of the plea deal the lawyer made with the judge to prevent my license from being revoked. I still got 11 points for that infraction.
If you are gonna speed at least invest in a V-1 or dont do it at all. Totally not worth it.
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had a bad weekend, got speeding ticket (first time), i was driving 91 in 50mph zone. its 11 points in NY, i dont have any other points on my driving license. i heard hiring Traffic lawer can help to reduce points to 8. i dont know how they will do it?
do i have to take "Defensive Driving Course" to reduce 4 points. i havent send ticket yet to DMV because i have to appear in court inperson. All tips/suggestions are welcome.
I'm assuming you're rather young? Just a guess on my part, what with the 40 over the limit being your first ticket. Definitely get a lawyer because having a 'reckless' on your driving record is going to crush your insurance.

Not saying you need to drive like an old lady, but my goodness, tone it down just a bit.
Sounds like you out grew your m3 time to move on to a Lexus.
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It's been a few months since your post, but I hope things turned out well for you.

STRONGLY suggest an Escort 9500ci, which has radar detection as well as LIDAR (laser) detection and jamming. I have one in my 2011 E92 M3, and I can attest that it works well. Someone suggested that you have a second to slow down if you are hit with laser - I do not think that is accurate. LIDAR locks on quickly if they get a strong hit on your car (headlights are the primary target for the front, license plate for the rear). I generally stay within 10 mph of the speed limit, but on I-5 I've been known to go faster if the traffic is light. Have been hit by laser going 20+ mph over, and just get "the look" from the trooper trying to clock me as I pass by.
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