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      04-24-2011, 03:18 PM   #67
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There is an equation for this:

Need To Prove = Number of car lengths you lost by X Total distance you drove past the victor after they let off the throttle

This guy drove way out of sight.


Don't get me wrong. I had a Cayman S, and I would have rather had an M3. It is truly a wonderful car.
Above formula totally true! Some douche in an Impala SS did that same thing - took him about 10 seconds to catch up and pass me AFTER I let off the gas!! LOL
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      04-24-2011, 03:34 PM   #68
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I love having M cars do that with my X5M because we all know we're complimenting each other. However, having Corvettes and AMG's doing that is pretty funny and lame.
Lol, what's the difference
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      04-24-2011, 03:49 PM   #69
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It's not just C63 owners. Everybody looks up to the M3. They want your approval.
Hehe i like this..
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Lol, what's the difference


wondering the same thing...


BMW fanboys I tell ya..
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      04-26-2011, 01:29 AM   #71
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When did the M3 become a car for faggots. Shame on you if you drive a M3 and you dont race a C63 that pulled up asking for a race. Bunch of manginas in here...
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      04-26-2011, 12:34 PM   #72
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Are you 14 years old? You are also cruising for a ban...
a little sensitive today are we? You have a worse curse word quoted in your sig.
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When did the M3 become a car for faggots. Shame on you if you drive a M3 and you dont race a C63 that pulled up asking for a race. Bunch of manginas in here...
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      04-26-2011, 04:20 PM   #75
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I've had a Toyota Camary Cab doing it to me =_=|| What's wrong with people nowadays...
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Ghostridethewhip, who says a c63 will embarrass an m3 in a straight line race? An m3 with Dct will run fender to fender with a c63 through the quarter mile. Please keep your statements closer to fact in future posts.
You are in a dream world. Granted, the C63 won't run away with the race, but it will win, pretty much from any speed to any other speed. In other words, decisively. The 481 HP option widens the gap.

The M3 will win on a road course. Granted, it won't run away from the C63, but it will win decisively (by about a second a minute, as far as I can tell).

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      04-26-2011, 08:39 PM   #77
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You are in a dream world. Granted, the C63 won't run away with the race, but it will win, pretty much from any speed to any other speed. In other words, decisively. The 481 HP option widens the gap.

The M3 will win on a road course. Granted, it won't run away from the C63, but it will win decisively (by about a second a minute, as far as I can tell).

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      04-27-2011, 10:58 AM   #78
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Another member in this thread said that a c63 will embarrass an m3 in a straight line race, which is simply not true, and I was replying to that ridiculous comment. 2011 m3's that have recently been tested with zcp and dct have ran qt mile times that are very similiar to the c63 with very similar trap times as well. So when I read a stupid comment like that, I'm not gonna hold back and keep my mouth shut.
Three points:

First, you said that the M3, suitably equipped, could run fender to fender with a C63. That's incorrect. The quickest and fastest M3 (that I know of) ran 12.4 @ 114 mph while in Car & Driver's possession. The same magazine tested a C63 and got 12.3 @ 116, and, more recently, the 481 HP model at 12.3 @ 117. As I've mentioned, that's close, but no cigar. Furthermore, the C63 is pulling away nicely at the finish line. I assume the M3 benefits from its launch control in such a contest, but trap speed is indeed very important. I'd like to see your evidence that the M3 can provide similar trap speeds.

Second, you said "...m3's (sic) that have recently been tested..."

Please tell me where those tests have recently shown up. I only know of the one I mentioned, and I'd genuinely like to know about other similar times that have been published.

In short, please back up your assertions.

Lastly, I have no idea what your idea of "embarrass" means in a drag race. To some, that may mean the C63 consistenly wins, while to others, the car would have to be in a different zip code by the time the M3 hits the finish line in order for that term to apply.

Why get vexed over a single word?

Looking forward to hearing from you about your assertions - which, if I wasn't clear, I'm challenging.

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      04-27-2011, 06:08 PM   #79
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      04-27-2011, 11:31 PM   #80
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Bruce:

Motortrend June 2008

With the DCT, the 414-hp M3 closes the straight-line performance gap to the sturm-und-drang 451-hp Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG. It'll run wheel-to-wheel with the thundering Mercedes to 60 mph and is a tenth faster to 100 mph. Quicker acceleration off the line gets the gruntmeister Benz to the end of the quarter in a tenth of a second less, but the trap speeds are virtually identical.
Wow.

No disrespect directed at you, but that paragraph just had to've been penned before the U.K. guy took over at Motor Trend. And thank God he did.

It basically contradicts itself. The bimmer runs wheel to wheel with the Benz to 60, but the Benz is quicker off the line and thus wins the quarter mile battle by a tenth?

How can you be wheel to wheel but be behind for the entire quarter mile from start to finish?

I have no reason to disbelieve Motor Trend when they say that trap speeds were virtually identical between their two cars, but that is emphatically not the norm. Perusing the databases in this forum show that to be true, as well as quarter mile times and trap speeds recorded elsewhere.

As I've said, it's pretty close, but the Merc wins, and wins going away.

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There goes your launch control theory. The fact of the matter is that the c63 and the m3 have very similiar 0-60 and qt mile times with nearly the same trap speed. Depending on conditions, driver, altitude, and other variables one car will be faster than the other, but not by much. If ghostrider simply stated that a c63 will most likely edge out an m3 in a straight line race, I wouldn't have bothered posting anything in this thread but that was not the case. He stated something absurd, which you cleverly manipulated various definitions for embarrassing an m3 in a drag race. I don't care how clever you think you are but that statement holds no water in any shape or form.
Can't speak directly for ghostrider, but in my personal world, if one car can very consistently beat another car, the embarrass word is OK. Likewise, the M3 will consistently embarrass the C63 on a road course, even if it's "only" by around a second a minute.

Reasonable people may disagree, but the use of the word "embarrass" in this context is far from absurd. In addition, I'm quite sure that my saying the M3 will embarrass the C63 on a road course doesn't drive you into a rage. Right?

I just used the Car & Driver numbers because they're very careful about zeroing out weather conditions (and have the very best magazine results ever for both the M3 and C63), while God only knows what Motor Trend was doing in 2008. I don't know if ol' Angus was aboard then, but doubt it, or he wouldn't have let that ridiculous paragraph slip through.

Bruce

PS - Look, my previously stated (and stated, and stated) position about the current M3 is that it's a definite overachiever, but in this one particular area, the C63 has it covered, even though the M3 does slightly better in the power to weight arena and has a quicker, more efficient automatic.
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It does not contradict itself. It plainly means tht the c63 and m3 at various speed take the lead away from eachother. The m3 crawled it's way back to beating the c63 by a tenth to 100mph and the c63 edged it out by a tenth through the qt mile with a virtual tie in trap speeds...
You are not familiar with the basic mechanics here. Time to speed is almost completely immaterial in a drag race, and it's also almost completely unrelated to time to distance. What you are in effect saying is that the M3 was even with the C63 at 60, a tiny bit ahead at 100 MPH, and then the C63 leaped ahead by a generous car length (about 16.5 feet) in the next two to three seconds. Not possible, and especially not possible with the same trap speed. Capiche?

I'd be willing to bet important money that the C63 was ahead for the entire quarter mile, based on that paragraph. No biggie, but something for you to think about.

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      04-28-2011, 09:41 AM   #82
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the same thread is probably created on mercedes forums.
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      05-22-2011, 02:39 PM   #83
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^Awesome


Its the fact that they are jealous and regret not buying an M3 and know the engine was the only selling point of that one--they are self conscious when they see the M's.
lol...I'm reasonably sure anyone with the means to buy a (more expensive) C63 could easily sell it and grab an M3 if they want to.

I think he's/they are more trying to get you to race. Of course the M3 would be smart to pass on that for various reasons (including the fact that street racing is inevitably flawed as a pursuit) but most notably it may leave an egotistical M3 owner (who thinks everyone is jealous of their modest $60,000 car) with a shriveled dick. C63 is a very serious highway stormer.
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When did the M3 become a car for faggots. Shame on you if you drive a M3 and you dont race a C63 that pulled up asking for a race. Bunch of manginas in here...
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I love everything about M3post except for one thing. For some reason, and I never would have guessed before I joined; But so many forum members get butt hurt if someone tries to race them.
They realize you have a fast car people, you should be taking it as a complement if they are trying to race you, whether it's obviously slower than our cars or obviously faster.

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      05-22-2011, 05:23 PM   #85
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firstly i do not own an m3. prices are sky high here and an m3 costs about 120000 euros. one can only dream right..

one day i was driving around in my friens renault clio sport 2.0. quick little car, he was bored to drive so i was driving. we came across an audi r8 and ofcourse i tried to race it.. actually we were looking for people to race even cars much faster than what we had. why?? because we want to see fast cars in action.. as someone stated before, its a complement if someone is trying to race you.. they just want to see a fast car in action..
if i had an m3 i'd race whatever was up for it..
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Believe it or not, I've had all sorts of "sports cars", on the interstates mostly, fly up behind me, see it's a M3 and tuck in following me to their exit. All most no one challenges me in this car. Coming out of a Audi TT it's amazing. Every asshat in the world wanted a piece of that TT and usually got it. Most want nothing to do with this M3. I'm thinking of de-badging so I can get some action.
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Believe it or not, I've had all sorts of "sports cars", on the interstates mostly, fly up behind me, see it's a M3 and tuck in following me to their exit. All most no one challenges me in this car. Coming out of a Audi TT it's amazing. Every asshat in the world wanted a piece of that TT and usually got it. Most want nothing to do with this M3. I'm thinking of de-badging so I can get some action.
Most anyone who wants to race an M3 will race it because he knows its an M3. Debadging will either stay the same or lower the amount of people challenging you.
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"Most anyone who wants to race an M3 will race it because he knows it's an M3" Agreed 100%. Plus there's no way to hide four black tipped tail pipes or a front end that eats puppies and small children. The main point I'm making is the deference other drivers show the M.
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