S65 Dinan 4.6 stroker - Page 2

STALKER · 04-26-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

What is the price for the car?

This could be perfect for your new project.

Martin_D · 04-26-2011, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by STALKER

This could be perfect for your new project.

woo

Richbot · 04-26-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by VSmotorsports

Wow legal for T2 now! The new mustang, camaro ,and now the e92. What is the race weight for the e92

50lbs heavier than the Mustang, 25 heavier than the Camaro, 50 lbs *lighter* than the 6.0l CTS-V. I think the weight is fair. With 315mm max tire width on 18x10's, DCT allowed, and on the same spec line as the GTS which means retrofitting GTS part numbers to regular M3's is fair game, it should definitely be interesting, and expensive. The DCT might be key if it can withstand the abuse over a season of racing, aside from the obvious shift speed advantage, lap-after-lap consistency is a big advantage in any racecar.

stega · 04-26-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

woo

Dooo it

kiloil · 04-26-2011, 08:42 PM

Just out of curiosity why does the engine max out at 7800RPM instead of 8400RPM like stock E92? Could you raise the stroker to 8400 without major internal changes?

STALKER · 04-26-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

woo

I saw your original post!!!
So busted!!!!

FLMS · 04-26-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

What is the price for the car?

That's the dilemma....As configured the car really makes sense for a Grand-Am team or someone who want's to. Or a really high end track toy. The owner has $90k on his mind. Considering what he has into it I understand. We'll have to find some flexibility if we want to move the car.

FLMS · 04-26-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Richbot

50lbs heavier than the Mustang, 25 heavier than the Camaro, 50 lbs *lighter* than the 6.0l CTS-V. I think the weight is fair. With 315mm max tire width on 18x10's, DCT allowed, and on the same spec line as the GTS which means retrofitting GTS part numbers to regular M3's is fair game, it should definitely be interesting, and expensive. The DCT might be key if it can withstand the abuse over a season of racing, aside from the obvious shift speed advantage, lap-after-lap consistency is a big advantage in any racecar.

I'm anxious to see how things play out as well! The GTS spec line is a little hard to understand though?!? GTS bits are impossible to come by I believe. The DCT reliability is a big unknown. They are going to have to make some serious concessions for the E46's I think. If they decide to cut weight for the E46 M a couple hundred pounds that might be the even hotter ticket! Gonna be a fun season!

Martin_D · 04-26-2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by STALKER

I saw your original post!!!
So busted!!!!

Atleast you can laugh about it!

Martin_D · 04-26-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by FLMS

That's the dilemma....As configured the car really makes sense for a Grand-Am team or someone who want's to. Or a really high end track toy. The owner has $90k on his mind. Considering what he has into it I understand. We'll have to find some flexibility if we want to move the car.

I put over $200k into my current M3. I could not sell it for $100k if I tried. When you think M3 you think $70k loaded, $58k bare bones.

Can you give me a full spec list on the car?

FLMS · 04-26-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin_D

I put over $200k into my current M3. I could not sell it for $100k if I tried. When you think M3 you think $70k loaded, $58k bare bones.

Can you give me a full spec list on the car?

I am all too familiar with the scenario. It's a delicate issue and sometimes an exercise in patience when handling a client/customer car. I will continue to work on it.

Here are the pics I have on my system at home. I will send you a complete spec sheet when I get to the office in the morning.

My apologies....my resizing skills need work!

Martin_D · 04-26-2011, 10:24 PM

Great thanks.

mkPOTO · 04-26-2011, 10:25 PM

the car is actually worth the price the owner is asking, quick disconnect harness, and everything you need to make it a full out race car

Richbot · 04-26-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FLMS

I'm anxious to see how things play out as well! The GTS spec line is a little hard to understand though?!? GTS bits are impossible to come by I believe. The DCT reliability is a big unknown. They are going to have to make some serious concessions for the E46's I think. If they decide to cut weight for the E46 M a couple hundred pounds that might be the even hotter ticket! Gonna be a fun season!

I think the more likely scenario is that they leave the current T2 frontrunners alone and monitor the situation for the rest of the season with more changes in the winter, using the rationale that the lighter cars are probably more competitive at tracks that aren't Road America. The 5.0 and E92 will obviously be much faster at RA with good development and driving, there's just way too much straightaway. This has the side benefit of giving Ford a big win to put in their marketing materials if the cars are developed fast enough.

That fuel cell location might be problematic under the Touring ruleset. Might be able to make a convincing case to the T-SS for an allowance for trunk-mounted cells a'la ITS E36 though, especially since a bunch of Grand Am chassis run with the cell there and the stock tank is a saddle-type tank. Crossovers from other sanctions are always a good reason to allow safety modifications that don't impact performance. I bet it would pass tech since it's not really their job to ensure compliance beyond a car built to the minimum safety requirements, but I think it'd lose a protest if somebody threw paper.

Does that bar between the rear shock towers tie in to the cage mounting plate or is it welded directly to the chassis?

After seeing pics of the car and with the $$$ engine in mind I think it might be better to sell the car as-is and start over with a Touring build in mind, got any spare E92 bodies-in-white laying around?

signes · 04-26-2011, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FLMS

Unfortunately the motor was purchased without the Dinan warranty. Otherwise, I would be digging through couch cushions and do the swap in my own car!

The E92 is in T2 at 3700 lbs. Should be interesting.

I will talk to the owner tonight and post contact info tomorrow for those that might be interested.

Thanks again for everyones input!

Still very interested depending on the price. Please keep me posted. Thanks.

lucid · 04-27-2011, 07:53 AM

How much is it putting down on a dynojet and what is the race weight with driver? I suspect it would land smack in the middle of NASA GTS5 and would not be particularly competitive, but something to consider if you haven't already...

kyleb350 · 04-27-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kiloil

Just out of curiosity why does the engine max out at 7800RPM instead of 8400RPM like stock E92? Could you raise the stroker to 8400 without major internal changes?

When stroked, the pistons have to travel a greater distance in the same amount of time at the same RPM compared to a stock engine. So assuming the pistons could only move so fast, the redline must be lowered. I'm not sure what has to be done to keep the redline the same, but it wouldn't be cheap.

Martin_D · 04-27-2011, 12:41 PM

Anyone near NC/MD/VA have one of these installed? We can go to VIR on a member day, I want to feel it around the track.

You get a free track day out of it

Mavrick151 · 04-27-2011, 01:01 PM

If you can get Dinan to warranty the motor I am interested

nd54 · 04-27-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kiloil

Just out of curiosity why does the engine max out at 7800RPM instead of 8400RPM like stock E92? Could you raise the stroker to 8400 without major internal changes?

The redline on a stroker motor is still 8400rpm, just like the stock motor, but it makes peak power at a lower rpm than stock. I have the 4.6L RDSport motor in my car.

BRDHNTR · 04-27-2011, 03:18 PM

Wow...now that's a track toy! It's kind of amazing that we can justify racing something like that. I would do this as well because there is something especially cool about racing a GT car, but it's hard to think that for $70K or so you can buy a Radical and go faster around a track.

SM#80 · 04-27-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FLMS

I'm anxious to see how things play out as well! The GTS spec line is a little hard to understand though?!? GTS bits are impossible to come by I believe. The DCT reliability is a big unknown. They are going to have to make some serious concessions for the E46's I think. If they decide to cut weight for the E46 M a couple hundred pounds that might be the even hotter ticket! Gonna be a fun season!

When I read your posts, I read it in Tim's voice... Wonder why?

04-26-2011, 08:42 PM	#27
kiloil Second Lieutenant Drives: 2013 E92 MT Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: USA Posts: 230 iTrader: (0)	Just out of curiosity why does the engine max out at 7800RPM instead of 8400RPM like stock E92? Could you raise the stroker to 8400 without major internal changes? __________________ Fair Tax Supporter. 2009 E92 M3 MT (Gone) 2011 4 Runner Limited 4WD (Gone) 1996 4 Runner 4WD (Too sendimental to get rid of) 2013 E92 M3 MT (Current)

04-26-2011, 10:25 PM	#35
mkPOTO Mr. Nice Says Hello Drives: 1999 528I Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 13,492 iTrader: (19) Garage List 2008 BMW E92 M3 [2.66] 1999 BMW E39 528i [2.20] 2007 BMW E92 335I [3.00]	the car is actually worth the price the owner is asking, quick disconnect harness, and everything you need to make it a full out race car __________________ BMW E92 M3 EVOLVE Stage II \| EVOLVE X-Pipe \| EVOLVE E-Tronic Exhaust Macht Schnell Stage II intake \| KW V3 \| Volk TE37SL \| BMW Performance Spoiler

04-27-2011, 07:53 AM	#38
lucid Major General Drives: E30 M3; Expedition Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 8,037 iTrader: (0)	How much is it putting down on a dynojet and what is the race weight with driver? I suspect it would land smack in the middle of NASA GTS5 and would not be particularly competitive, but something to consider if you haven't already... __________________

04-27-2011, 03:18 PM	#43
BRDHNTR Ground Pilot Drives: e92 BMW M3 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Waverly, PA Posts: 549 iTrader: (0) Garage List 2002 M3 [0.00] 2008 e92 M3 [0.00]	Wow...now that's a track toy! It's kind of amazing that we can justify racing something like that. I would do this as well because there is something especially cool about racing a GT car, but it's hard to think that for $70K or so you can buy a Radical and go faster around a track. __________________ "The laws of physics cannot be repealed, even with DSC." - BMW Owner's Manual

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04-26-2011, 10:24 PM	#34
Martin_D Lieutenant Colonel Drives: Ford Super Duty Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,797 iTrader: (34)	Great thanks.

04-27-2011, 12:41 PM	#40
Martin_D Lieutenant Colonel Drives: Ford Super Duty Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,797 iTrader: (34)	Anyone near NC/MD/VA have one of these installed? We can go to VIR on a member day, I want to feel it around the track. You get a free track day out of it

04-27-2011, 01:01 PM	#41
Mavrick151 My M treats me right Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Where the tracks are fast and the babes are abundant! Posts: 295 iTrader: (1)	If you can get Dinan to warranty the motor I am interested