BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > General Automotive (non-BMW) Talk + Photos/Videos
 
Strasse Wheels
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-21-2011, 12:23 AM   #23
stickypaws
Dictator
stickypaws's Avatar
22
Rep
1,817
Posts

 
Drives: people crazy
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: where you want to be

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tarheel91 View Post
The meaning of rhetorical devices tends to elude you, yes?

You're not mocking him. You're simply pointing out the hypocrisy in his complaint. It's not sarcasm.

To help figure out whether something is sarcastic, say it out loud, and if you didn't use a sarcastic tone of voice, it probably isn't sarcastic.

If you had added something like: "What a fine grammarian you are!", then it would be sarcastic.

Note: I probably screwed up the the grammar somewhere in that last sentence. A quote with an exclamation point mid-sentence is not something I usually deal with. I think the comma goes outside because of the exclamation point, and I think you need a colon before a quote that's a complete sentence, but I'm not sure.
sarcasm
noun
derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing; irony; cynicism.

Of course I was mocking him.

And I was scoffing him (and pointing to the irony) in my usual derisive and cynical manner.
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 10:37 AM   #24
e92addict
Second Lieutenant
e92addict's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
285
Posts

 
Drives: A Spaceship
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glina View Post
Because someone doesn't write in english as good as you do, it doesn't make you smarter than that person. I always tell people, because I speak with an accent, it doesn't mean that I think with an accent!!!Please take your head out of the and move on.

OOOOOOOOH.....That was so unkind! I always tell applicants, "if you make a grammatical error on your cover letter, you probably won't get selected for an interview"

I never mentioned me feeling smarter than anyone, sorry if I came off that way bud.

...Take my head out of my ___ huh? I want to respond, but I'm going to just walk away
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 10:38 AM   #25
e92addict
Second Lieutenant
e92addict's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
285
Posts

 
Drives: A Spaceship
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by wisesoul View Post
you spelled grammar wrong
Who did? Also, it looks like you attempted to write "Banned", but it says "Bamned" under your username. If you want to go tit for tat!

Nice car by the way!

Last edited by e92addict; 04-21-2011 at 11:25 AM.
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 10:48 AM   #26
Echo M3
Major
No_Country
35
Rep
1,431
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glina View Post
I'm sorry, I meant to say third language.
Sadly, I think your English is better than 90% of Americans.

TrackRat, I wonder the same thing. What exactly DO they teach in classrooms these days? Not to turn this into an educational debate, but it appears that schools are more concerned with athletics and other soft interests as opposed to educating the youth in more traditional subjects. It's unacceptable that the youth of today are deficient in BOTH math/science AND the languages!
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 10:52 AM   #27
Echo M3
Major
No_Country
35
Rep
1,431
Posts

 
Drives: E90 M3
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: NY

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by e92addict View Post
OOOOOOOOH.....That was so unkind! I always tell applicants, "if you make a grammatical error on your cover letter, you probably won't get selected for an interview"

I never mentioned me feeling smarter than anyone, sorry if I came off that way bud.

...Take my head out of my ___ huh? I want to respond, but I'm going to just walk away
I also used to review applications and then interview potential applicants.

The sad reality is that any candidate perceived as having the slightest deficiency in their English proficiency (nice rhyming scheme, huh?) was immediately at a disadvantage.

The reality of a client-facing business, I suppose.
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 11:18 AM   #28
e92addict
Second Lieutenant
e92addict's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
285
Posts

 
Drives: A Spaceship
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by pman10 View Post
I also used to review applications and then interview potential applicants.

The sad reality is that any candidate perceived as having the slightest deficiency in their English proficiency (nice rhyming scheme, huh?) was immediately at a disadvantage.

The reality of a client-facing business, I suppose.

Nice rhyme! Yes, there are instances when you can write however you want (like here), but when you want to be taken seriously, you have to at least seem polished.

Would you take a person serious if they had broccoli between their teeth?! (same concept)
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 01:47 PM   #29
Glina
Second Lieutenant
Poland
10
Rep
290
Posts

 
Drives: X6
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: NYC

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by pman10 View Post
Sadly, I think your English is better than 90% of Americans.

TrackRat, I wonder the same thing. What exactly DO they teach in classrooms these days? Not to turn this into an educational debate, but it appears that schools are more concerned with athletics and other soft interests as opposed to educating the youth in more traditional subjects. It's unacceptable that the youth of today are deficient in BOTH math/science AND the languages!
It was, before I moved to America
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 04:17 PM   #30
RioGrandeValley
Major
RioGrandeValley's Avatar
18
Rep
1,007
Posts

 
Drives: E92/E90 Depends on Mood
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Irving, TX

iTrader: (0)

1) It's just an internet car forum
2) Could care less how anyone gives input with or without errors as long as point made
3) Should personal license plates also be corrected?

Tomato ... Average Intelligence
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 04:28 PM   #31
ragingclue
One cam is enough
ragingclue's Avatar
87
Rep
6,815
Posts

 
Drives: VF
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: mulletville

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickypaws View Post
...
derision
...
Oh great so now we're talking about math too?
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 04:42 PM   #32
e92addict
Second Lieutenant
e92addict's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
285
Posts

 
Drives: A Spaceship
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RioGrandeValley View Post
1) It's just an internet car forum
2) Could care less how anyone gives input with or without errors as long as point made
3) Should personal license plates also be corrected?

Tomato ... Average Intelligence
"womp, womp, wooooooomp"
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 06:28 PM   #33
SIN3
Wheel Fitment Connoisseur
0
Rep
11
Posts

 
Drives: slow and low top down
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SoCali:Wii Wii Land

iTrader: (0)

nope not at all. because half the time i post i am on the phone or talking to someone in my office. its just a forum. if you want proper grammer take a class.
__________________

2006 M3 Cabrio
2004 ZHP Cabrio
/stanceworks\
"keep it clean, keep it OEM+"
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 06:44 PM   #34
e92addict
Second Lieutenant
e92addict's Avatar
United_States
17
Rep
285
Posts

 
Drives: A Spaceship
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: SoCal

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SIN3 View Post
nope not at all. because half the time i post i am on the phone or talking to someone in my office. its just a forum. if you want proper grammer take a class.
I was waiting for this
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 08:32 PM   #35
koreez88
Всем привет ;)
Russian Federation
50
Rep
3,251
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 SG e90 335d
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: San Francisco, CA

iTrader: (11)

Send a message via Skype™ to koreez88
Educated people write properly regardless of whether it's an online forum, blog, an essay or anything else. People don't choose to write incorrectly if they know how to do it right.

I do like shortening words like "ur" instead of you're or "cuz" instead of because. That just came from text messaging.
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 08:56 PM   #36
Year's_End
RWD only.
Year's_End's Avatar
United_States
334
Rep
12,336
Posts

 
Drives: '08 E92 335i
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: St. Pete, FL

iTrader: (0)

Can the mods move this shit out of the general auto section and into OT please?
__________________
E92 335i: Space Grey|Coral Red|Aluminum Trim

Future Ride: 2015 Mustang GT Premium |Guard|401A|PP|Recaros|6MT
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 10:19 PM   #37
tarheel91
Private First Class
1
Rep
171
Posts

 
Drives: ESS Z4 3.0i
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Carolina

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickypaws View Post
sarcasm
noun
derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing; irony; cynicism.

Of course I was mocking him.

And I was scoffing him (and pointing to the irony) in my usual derisive and cynical manner.
You were not imitating him in an insulting manner. You were calling him out. There is a pretty clear difference.

Your post was ironic. It was not sarcastic.
Appreciate 0
      04-21-2011, 11:55 PM   #38
stickypaws
Dictator
stickypaws's Avatar
22
Rep
1,817
Posts

 
Drives: people crazy
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: where you want to be

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tarheel91 View Post
You were not imitating him in an insulting manner. You were calling him out. There is a pretty clear difference.

Your post was ironic. It was not sarcastic.
ironic
adjective
1 Edward's tone was ironic: sarcastic, sardonic, cynical, mocking, satirical, caustic, wry. ANTONYMS sincere.
2 it's ironic that a former illiterate is now a successful writer: paradoxical, incongruous. ANTONYMS logical.

It was my post, and I know what I was doing. And grade school kids have no chance against me.

Now go away. Thank you.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2011, 10:10 AM   #39
RioGrandeValley
Major
RioGrandeValley's Avatar
18
Rep
1,007
Posts

 
Drives: E92/E90 Depends on Mood
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Irving, TX

iTrader: (0)

I like these type of threads especially on idle days.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2011, 03:45 PM   #40
NewYearsBoy
Colonel
NewYearsBoy's Avatar
United_States
30
Rep
2,365
Posts

 
Drives: IS 300
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Bradenton FL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickypaws View Post
sarcasm
noun
derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing; irony; cynicism.

Of course I was mocking him.

And I was scoffing him (and pointing to the irony) in my usual derisive and cynical manner.
??? Here you go again trying to act smart on a car forum. Its cool that you know how to use Google^^^
__________________
--------------------------------------------------------------

"Speed never killed anyone its very important to get that straight, Speed has never killed a soul. Suddenly becoming stationary thats what gets people." - Jeremy Clarkson
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2011, 04:44 PM   #41
tarheel91
Private First Class
1
Rep
171
Posts

 
Drives: ESS Z4 3.0i
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Carolina

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickypaws View Post
ironic
adjective
1 Edward's tone was ironic: sarcastic, sardonic, cynical, mocking, satirical, caustic, wry. ANTONYMS sincere.
2 it's ironic that a former illiterate is now a successful writer: paradoxical, incongruous. ANTONYMS logical.

It was my post, and I know what I was doing. And grade school kids have no chance against me.

Now go away. Thank you.
Ironic != sarcsastic. As I said, it was ironic that the person complaining about grammar used improper grammar. You pointed out that irony. You did not mock him. Sarcasm can involve irony, but it does not always. Likewise, irony is not always sarcastic.

“Irony must not be confused with sarcasm, which is direct: sarcasm means precisely what it says, but in a sharp, caustic, ... manner." - Eric Partridge (Lexographer)

I'll ignore the personal attacks, an example of an ad hominem logical fallacy.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2011, 05:56 PM   #42
miiipilot
Captain
miiipilot's Avatar
United_States
12
Rep
803
Posts

 
Drives: 2011 TiAg 135i 6mt M-Sport
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickypaws View Post
Both English and Snickers should be capitalized since they are proper nouns. It's also "do" and not "does" since you used the plural of "error." It's people "who," and not people "that."

And Snickers is plural whereas Snicker's is possessive. Fix your grammar please. Thank you.
Awesome. JUST AWESOME. Can't help but laugh.

miiipilot
__________________
miiipilot 2011 135i TiAg w/Black Boston 6mt M-Sport, Premium Pkg, Value Pkg
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2011, 06:50 PM   #43
Yogijet
Lieutenant
British Virgin Islands
6
Rep
581
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 BMW 135i, Jet Black
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Palms Valley

iTrader: (0)

This thread is funny and illustrative to an extent of my thoughts on this subject. I have for some time not held a person's use of the English language against him simply because it is not an issue that goes to character. There may be several reasons for an adult's inability to string a few words together correctly to form a sentence, many of which are likely to have been from the formative years and, therefore, outside of his control. Typically, none of these reasons makes him an unworthy/bad person or a fool. Some of the brightest and most successful people I know cannot use English correctly. In addition, none of us is perfect, and I have found that snobbery of any variety almost inevitably results in the snob exposing his dirty drawers and arse in embarrassment. As for Bimmerpost, it is just not that important for the spelling and the grammar in a context such as this to be correct, every time. That said, some spelling and grammatical errors can be distracting, but I simply interpret them and move on. It's not that big a deal. Incidentally, I learned English so the use of a word such as "practice" as a verb is a little distracting as well, but then again, immaterial to the effectiveness of what we're all trying to do here.
__________________

BMW Performance Exhaust, Michelin Pilot Supersports F-225/40, R-255/35, BMW Performance Suspension, BMW Performance black kidneys, Quaife LSD, M3 rear sub-f bushings, M3 front control arm, rear guide rod and rear upper link kits, BMW Performance cross-drilled/slotted rotors, AFE Cold Air Intake.
Appreciate 0
      04-22-2011, 07:05 PM   #44
Yogijet
Lieutenant
British Virgin Islands
6
Rep
581
Posts

 
Drives: 2009 BMW 135i, Jet Black
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Palms Valley

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NYC6 View Post
I'm a pretty bad speller myself and don't often worry about others, except when a self proffesed automotive brake expert starts patting himself on the back claiming to know it all about car break systems. The same holds true for those audio experts telling others their system is all wrong because of this, that and their base levels are to high.
He may be a brilliant mechanic though. I really don't care if my mechanic can't speak or write a lick of English. If my brakes are broken and breaks are what he's good at fixing, and his breaks are my brakes, and he doesn't take breaks while fixing my brakes, nor break my brakes when he's breaking them in with braking, and at the end of the day my brakes are not broken, then we're good. I wrote that as a tribute to this thread and will now sell it to Montessori as a nursery rhyme for kids.
__________________

BMW Performance Exhaust, Michelin Pilot Supersports F-225/40, R-255/35, BMW Performance Suspension, BMW Performance black kidneys, Quaife LSD, M3 rear sub-f bushings, M3 front control arm, rear guide rod and rear upper link kits, BMW Performance cross-drilled/slotted rotors, AFE Cold Air Intake.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:52 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST