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      04-11-2011, 02:26 AM   #23
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Hell I am jealous...... I cant even find a GT-R to look at let alone race one here in Germany. Good Kill........ a win is a win, whether by an inch or mile. Gotta run watcha brung and leave the excuses at the door.
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      04-11-2011, 06:45 AM   #24
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duhhh you guys..
The GTR's weakest point is 80-145... No wait... 80-150. My bad 70-135, no any highway speed....
Yes the GTR's power band sucks above 80 because I said so. Ok. I own one...... YES, THIS IS INFORMATIVE info i'm telling you...
Just as informative as saying you beat one.
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      04-11-2011, 10:17 AM   #25
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Just as informative as saying you beat one.
But the OP's post was not stated to be "informative"...it was simply a statement of fact. Whatever the case or the circumstances, they ran and he beat him. Period...
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duhhh you guys..
The GTR's weakest point is 80-145... No wait... 80-150. My bad 70-135, no any highway speed....
Yes the GTR's power band sucks above 80 because I said so. Ok. I own one...... YES, THIS IS INFORMATIVE info i'm telling you...

What your trying to say is, the GTR puts down its numbers down low. LOW in the rev range.. Coming out of corners, off the line or generally pulling through gears how you would on lots of corners on tracks in America rather then all out autobahn style blasts mentioned here.. It pulls with a freight train of torque from lower RPMS (like most all turbo cars) and doesn't quite pull quite as well up top because the turbo power/torque tapers off at high RPM (unlike the N/A screamer it lost to, despite it having a much higher drag coefficient, and the about the same WHP).

It was funny watching your feeling get hurt, then watching you try and play it off though off though hehe
C'mon from a dig? Race a 2012.. Are you really gonna bust out the low blows. D Nile is a river in Egypt.

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The truth is the GTR (even stock) still has....way more torque, more at a lower RPM and more throughout the rev range despite the M3 having its 4.6L (they make around 330-350 but at about 4800 RPM). This is why it took OPs RPM and power @ said RPM "advantage" M3 a bit (125mph) to finally pull away from the GTR

Good job. In my opinion you were the underdog and classic high RPM powerband took the cake on this particular race.
No turbo's, not to much lighter, much higher drag coefficient (especially at 150mph), and a much smaller window of where your power is made (thank DCT for keeping you in that window better than a 6spd) is enough to surprise some forced induction guys
Yep. Not the most amazing highway car as it runs out of gearing ... and it's geared like a dragster (high ratios), so it's free-wheeling pretty soon. Not an autobahn cruiser.

The GTR's numbers are best up top [rpm wise].
You may be thinking that Nissan does what BMW does, and sizes the turbos almost entirely for low lag (tiny) - with little consideration for high rpm output (big).
It's superchargers and smallish turbos [which don't suffer much lag] that run out of steam up top.
Big turbo power grows exponentially until near redline.
Granted the GTR is still only mid-ish sized (combined).

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No vids, it wasn't planned.

This was a high speed run. The GT-R is faster from a dig.

Was sharing the story because I was surprised of the results.

Would not be the least bit surprised if the new GT-R beat the stroker motor.
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No vids, it wasn't planned.

This was a high speed run. The GT-R is faster from a dig.

Was sharing the story because I was surprised of the results.

Would not be the least bit surprised if the new GT-R beat the stroker motor.
No reason to be surprised.

For Top speed runs, 2 things to check :

1) Got more HP?
2) Do you have a gear which leaves you not too far above your TQ band at shutdown speed?

If both are a yes, then you will win every time.

And in your case, if you had lost, then the GTR was tuned. Because you shouldn't lose.

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But the OP's post was not stated to be "informative"...it was simply a statement of fact. Whatever the case or the circumstances, they ran and he beat him. Period...
You're playing a semantic game. Isn't a fact informative?
And if it wasn't informative what was the point of starting a thread?
Frankly, all I did was state a "fact" too. If you want to impress me beat a GTR from a stop, low speed or around a track. The first gen R35 strong suit wasn't above 100ish. It would perform well but nothing a whole bunch of other cars couldn't match.
Trust me on this one. I had a CLK63 Black Series and an 09 GT-R at the same time. I made a whole bunch of highway runs with a buddy of mine to decide which one I wanted to keep. The Nissan absolutely destroyed the Merc from a stop but once it hit 100 plus the bleeding stopped and the Merc would match it in speed. And given the M3 we're discussing probably weighed less and had more power up high than the CLK63 Black the result isn't too surprising. That said, the new GTR is quite a bit quicker at higher speeds.
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No vids, it wasn't planned.

This was a high speed run. The GT-R is faster from a dig.

Was sharing the story because I was surprised of the results.

Would not be the least bit surprised if the new GT-R beat the stroker motor.


It was a good story. Sorry if I came across (as some have said)as bitter.
Kudos to you and your M3.
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      04-11-2011, 03:32 PM   #31
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Yep. Not the most amazing highway car as it runs out of gearing ... and it's geared like a dragster (high ratios), so it's free-wheeling pretty soon. Not an autobahn cruiser.

The GTR's numbers are best up top [rpm wise].
You may be thinking that Nissan does what BMW does, and sizes the turbos almost entirely for low lag (tiny) - with little consideration for high rpm output (big).
It's superchargers and smallish turbos [which don't suffer much lag] that run out of steam up top.
Big turbo power grows exponentially until near redline.
Granted the GTR is still only mid-ish sized (combined).

-scheherazade

Peak number are approached around 5400rpm-6500rpm and then it falls off somewhat, but not as dramatically as a 335. What's I was trying to emphasize is the torque falling off. A typical example could make 420allwheel torque at 3800RPM, but only 305 at 70000RPM. The M3 couldn't pull at first (GTR was probably @ a higher torque output at the start of the race) until the torque was less of a factor in the race.

Superchargers turn off the crankshaft, the faster the crank spins the faster the supercharger turns. Hence the more RPM you turn the more power you will make until the system becomes inefficient (heat soak etc.). You got that backwards
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Superchargers turn off the crankshaft, the faster the crank spins the faster the supercharger turns. Hence the more RPM you turn the more power you will make until the system becomes inefficient (heat soak etc.). You got that backwards
not quite.

small turbos will spool fast, but can't move as much air at their peak rpm - sometimes less than the engine requires to maintain a target manifold pressure (boost drops off to redline).

Superchargers increase RPM in proportion to engine RPM.
That's also what limits their peak output.
http://www.dragtimes.com/images_dyno...e-ZR1-Dyno.jpg

A turbo can increase RPM well in excess of the increase in engine RPM. (i.e. engine rpm doubles, turbo rpm more than doubles, etc)
You'll find that 'silly power' (street) applications are as good as always big turbos (They aren't limited by engine rpm).
http://www.proefi.com/uploads/dynograph_supra_large.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../supradyno.jpg

(caveat for things like top fuel dragsters : no exhaust system to drive a turbo, can't afford any lag)

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This forum makes me laugh. You have a guy who is sharing a story, a cool story.
Next post a you would think a guys life is ruined.
Everybody should relax enjoy life and their cars. Both the Stroker and the GTR are fun cars-very fun cars.



Serenity now!!!!!

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Im not surprised you beat him. I have a 2010 GT-R. Makes sense to me?

M3 is 420 hp and GT-R is 485hp. You have to be making at least 520hp and the car weighs less.

I also agree with 997 gt3. Unless you guys have driven a GT-R, or ventured to the forums, you wouldnt know that the GT-R pretty much starts to fall on its face after 100mph. Ill even admit that it doesnt pull as strongly. The AWD really helps down low. There are a lot of cars that would surprisingly keep up or pull on a GT-R in a 80+ race. Now, the 2012 is a different story with 50 hp or so more.
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This forum makes me laugh. You have a guy who is sharing a story, a cool story.
Next post a you would think a guys life is ruined.
That's what you read into my comment? Really? Sheez.
It's a discussion board. Get it?
Beating a first gen R35 up high is like someone saying an R35 beat a ZR1 to 60.Yeah its neat but hardly surprising and its comparing one cars strong point with anothers weak point.
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That's what you read into my comment? Really? Sheez.
It's a discussion board. Get it?
Beating a first gen R35 up high is like someone saying an R35 beat a ZR1 to 60.Yeah its neat but hardly surprising and its comparing one cars strong point with anothers weak point.

Relax bud....

I get it...

But you cant get over it...
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Relax bud....

I get it...

But you cant get over it...
Get over what? I made a point. There's nothing to get over.
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Get over what? I made a point. There's nothing to get over.
Your delivery was lame, that's all...
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Get over what? I made a point. There's nothing to get over.
Serenity now.........

Grab your ear lobes and say calmly- wooooosaaaa
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Your delivery was lame, that's all...

Really? That's worth commenting on? Frankly thats lame.
If I had insulted the guy you might have a point but I didn't.




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Serenity now.........

Grab your ear lobes and say calmly- wooooosaaaa


Do you have a point? Do you actually want to debate the topic or just make silly little gibes? Are you saying the first gen R35s weak point isn't up high? Are you saying a tuned car beating it up high is impressive?
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This is true. You can even see that when they test the GTR vs the 911 turbo where the 911 turbo runs away after 90+ mph like theres no tomorrow.
This may have been true for for the 2010 model. The 2012 is a different beast altogether, and no, it doesn't fall on its face after 100 mph (160 kph). 0-186 mph (300 kph) in 36 seconds is hardly hanging about in any language.



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What is the 60-130 on a stock GTR?
I am looking into buying a pre-'12 one and would like to know.

I saw on NAGTROC someone did 9.9. If an RS46 M3 is faster than that 60-130 it's very impressive!!
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