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      04-08-2011, 02:56 AM   #1
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Everything else being equal (weather, altitude, tires, driver, etc)

What would be the final score on say 50 1/4 miles runs for a smartly tuned 135i vs same year M3. Trap times, rolling starts etc.

Could the 135i win a few or like half?
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M3 wins by default after 15 runs to due N55 heat soak?

Hell I don't know. This is a pretty tough question to answer with so many variables.
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Every 135 that I have seen on track has only lasted about half the session due to overheating and the christmas tree display on the dash!



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At altitude such as up here in Denver (5280ft), the tuned N54/N55 will always win against the stock NA M3. I just had this discussion with my buddies this morning.

At sea level though, I think the tables turn significantly!
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M3 wins by default after 15 runs to due N55 heat soak?
Heat soak....and the HPFP??
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M3 wins by default after 15 runs to due N55 heat soak?

Hell I don't know. This is a pretty tough question to answer with so many variables.
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I see you live in NYC^ we can meet up for a few funs and you decide for yourself lol (i am modded, but the 135 is too so itll be equal )
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Ok, I thought through it a little more, ran it through the simulator, did some back-of-the-napkin math, and I think I figured it out. Remember, this is just a simulation, so results are approximate.

Ok. You and the M3 arrive at the track early Sunday morning (disclaimer: could have been a Wednesday night). Temp is a perfect 66 degrees F, or maybe it was 70. You get the idea - good weather for drag racing.

Now, the M3 guy arrives alone because M3 drivers have no friends (that's an estimation, he might have one friend, but no more). You arrive in the 135i with a whole posse in tow in various German cars (a C Class, a 335xi, and of course the obligatory Golf or GTI - there's always one of those, right?) consisting of lots of friends and family.

Soon the runs start and things are going well for you. After five runs the score is M3: 2, 135i: 3 (could be 1 and 4 respectively, I don't know for sure). Then after about five times down the strip, the M3 guy notices your girlfriend (or it could have been your sister or even your mom) is pretty hot. He casually starts hitting on the girl after each run, talking up his car, job - you know how it goes. This part was pretty easy to simulate because all M3 drivers are cocks - so we know this part is probably very accurate.

Anyway, he then stops concentrating on the races and starts hitting on the girl instead. After a few more runs, he's completely forgotten about the races and that's a good thing since he only won 3 of them. However he ends up taking your girl home (no, you know what, I re-ran it was definitely your mom. Or sister?), and she stays the night (that's a guess - she may have left late that night).

The next day, the M3 guy the posts to M3Post about the whole thing. Except the thread gets locked because a huge debate breaks out because he doesn't have any pics of the girl.

So, was I close? What do I win?
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Ok, I thought through it a little more, ran it through the simulator, did some back-of-the-napkin math, and I think I figured it out. Remember, this is just a simulation, so results are approximate.

Ok. You and the M3 arrive at the track early Sunday morning (disclaimer: could have been a Wednesday night). Temp is a perfect 66 degrees F, or maybe it was 70. You get the idea - good weather for drag racing.

Now, the M3 guy arrives alone because M3 drivers have no friends (that's an estimation, he might have one friend, but no more). You arrive in the 135i with a whole posse in tow in various German cars (a C Class, a 335xi, and of course the obligatory Golf or GTI - there's always one of those, right?) consisting of lots of friends and family.

Soon the runs start and things are going well for you. After five runs the score is M3: 2, 135i: 3 (could be 1 and 4 respectively, I don't know for sure). Then after about five times down the strip, the M3 guy notices your girlfriend (or it could have been your sister or even your mom) is pretty hot. He casually starts hitting on the girl after each run, talking up his car, job - you know how it goes. This part was pretty easy to simulate because all M3 drivers are cocks - so we know this part is probably very accurate.

Anyway, he then stops concentrating on the races and starts hitting on the girl instead. After a few more runs, he's completely forgotten about the races and that's a good thing since he only won 3 of them. However he ends up taking your girl home (no, you know what, I re-ran it was definitely your mom. Or sister?), and she stays the night (that's a guess - she may have left late that night).

The next day, the M3 guy the posts to M3Post about the whole thing. Except the thread gets locked because a huge debate breaks out because he doesn't have any pics of the girl.

So, was I close? What do I win?
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Ok, I thought through it a little more, ran it through the simulator, did some back-of-the-napkin math, and I think I figured it out. Remember, this is just a simulation, so results are approximate.

Ok. You and the M3 arrive at the track early Sunday morning (disclaimer: could have been a Wednesday night). Temp is a perfect 66 degrees F, or maybe it was 70. You get the idea - good weather for drag racing.

Now, the M3 guy arrives alone because M3 drivers have no friends (that's an estimation, he might have one friend, but no more). You arrive in the 135i with a whole posse in tow in various German cars (a C Class, a 335xi, and of course the obligatory Golf or GTI - there's always one of those, right?) consisting of lots of friends and family.

Soon the runs start and things are going well for you. After five runs the score is M3: 2, 135i: 3 (could be 1 and 4 respectively, I don't know for sure). Then after about five times down the strip, the M3 guy notices your girlfriend (or it could have been your sister or even your mom) is pretty hot. He casually starts hitting on the girl after each run, talking up his car, job - you know how it goes. This part was pretty easy to simulate because all M3 drivers are cocks - so we know this part is probably very accurate.

Anyway, he then stops concentrating on the races and starts hitting on the girl instead. After a few more runs, he's completely forgotten about the races and that's a good thing since he only won 3 of them. However he ends up taking your girl home (no, you know what, I re-ran it was definitely your mom. Or sister?), and she stays the night (that's a guess - she may have left late that night).

The next day, the M3 guy the posts to M3Post about the whole thing. Except the thread gets locked because a huge debate breaks out because he doesn't have any pics of the girl.

So, was I close? What do I win?
The only thing you forgot to mention is: while the M3 driver was hitting on his mom (who WAS actually his mom but she is so hot the M3 driver understandably thought she is his sister) he managed to reverse the score to 7-M3/3-I35i. The N3 driver enjoyed his day very much (and as it turned out, his night too) he didn't know about the score till the GTI guy came after him while leaving to say "7-3 dude!!! That was awesome"
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mkoesel, awesome response

However, does the model take into account the over-heating on the 135? and what horsepower assumption were you making?
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Well, as it turns out, the only overheating that occured was when the M3 driver got the girl back to his place.

And, just for the sake of incorporating a multi-thread inside joke - there was enough horse power to take down Chuck Norrisssss!!!1111!!

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mkoesel, awesome response

However, does the model take into account the over-heating on the 135? and what horsepower assumption were you making?
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Ok, I thought through it a little more, ran it through the simulator, did some back-of-the-napkin math, and I think I figured it out. Remember, this is just a simulation, so results are approximate.

Ok. You and the M3 arrive at the track early Sunday morning (disclaimer: could have been a Wednesday night). Temp is a perfect 66 degrees F, or maybe it was 70. You get the idea - good weather for drag racing.

Now, the M3 guy arrives alone because M3 drivers have no friends (that's an estimation, he might have one friend, but no more). You arrive in the 135i with a whole posse in tow in various German cars (a C Class, a 335xi, and of course the obligatory Golf or GTI - there's always one of those, right?) consisting of lots of friends and family.

Soon the runs start and things are going well for you. After five runs the score is M3: 2, 135i: 3 (could be 1 and 4 respectively, I don't know for sure). Then after about five times down the strip, the M3 guy notices your girlfriend (or it could have been your sister or even your mom) is pretty hot. He casually starts hitting on the girl after each run, talking up his car, job - you know how it goes. This part was pretty easy to simulate because all M3 drivers are cocks - so we know this part is probably very accurate.

Anyway, he then stops concentrating on the races and starts hitting on the girl instead. After a few more runs, he's completely forgotten about the races and that's a good thing since he only won 3 of them. However he ends up taking your girl home (no, you know what, I re-ran it was definitely your mom. Or sister?), and she stays the night (that's a guess - she may have left late that night).

The next day, the M3 guy the posts to M3Post about the whole thing. Except the thread gets locked because a huge debate breaks out because he doesn't have any pics of the girl.

So, was I close? What do I win?
THAT IS THE BEST THING I HAVE EVER READ!!!!
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Ok, I thought through it a little more, ran it through the simulator, did some back-of-the-napkin math, and I think I figured it out. Remember, this is just a simulation, so results are approximate.

Ok. You and the M3 arrive at the track early Sunday morning (disclaimer: could have been a Wednesday night). Temp is a perfect 66 degrees F, or maybe it was 70. You get the idea - good weather for drag racing.

Now, the M3 guy arrives alone because M3 drivers have no friends (that's an estimation, he might have one friend, but no more). You arrive in the 135i with a whole posse in tow in various German cars (a C Class, a 335xi, and of course the obligatory Golf or GTI - there's always one of those, right?) consisting of lots of friends and family.

Soon the runs start and things are going well for you. After five runs the score is M3: 2, 135i: 3 (could be 1 and 4 respectively, I don't know for sure). Then after about five times down the strip, the M3 guy notices your girlfriend (or it could have been your sister or even your mom) is pretty hot. He casually starts hitting on the girl after each run, talking up his car, job - you know how it goes. This part was pretty easy to simulate because all M3 drivers are cocks - so we know this part is probably very accurate.

Anyway, he then stops concentrating on the races and starts hitting on the girl instead. After a few more runs, he's completely forgotten about the races and that's a good thing since he only won 3 of them. However he ends up taking your girl home (no, you know what, I re-ran it was definitely your mom. Or sister?), and she stays the night (that's a guess - she may have left late that night).

The next day, the M3 guy the posts to M3Post about the whole thing. Except the thread gets locked because a huge debate breaks out because he doesn't have any pics of the girl.

So, was I close? What do I win?

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Well, as it turns out, the only overheating that occured was when the M3 driver got the girl back to his place.

And, just for the sake of incorporating a multi-thread inside joke - there was enough horse power to take down Chuck Norrisssss!!!1111!!

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Ok, I thought through it a little more, ran it through the simulator, did some back-of-the-napkin math, and I think I figured it out. Remember, this is just a simulation, so results are approximate.

Ok. You and the M3 arrive at the track early Sunday morning (disclaimer: could have been a Wednesday night). Temp is a perfect 66 degrees F, or maybe it was 70. You get the idea - good weather for drag racing.

Now, the M3 guy arrives alone because M3 drivers have no friends (that's an estimation, he might have one friend, but no more). You arrive in the 135i with a whole posse in tow in various German cars (a C Class, a 335xi, and of course the obligatory Golf or GTI - there's always one of those, right?) consisting of lots of friends and family.

Soon the runs start and things are going well for you. After five runs the score is M3: 2, 135i: 3 (could be 1 and 4 respectively, I don't know for sure). Then after about five times down the strip, the M3 guy notices your girlfriend (or it could have been your sister or even your mom) is pretty hot. He casually starts hitting on the girl after each run, talking up his car, job - you know how it goes. This part was pretty easy to simulate because all M3 drivers are cocks - so we know this part is probably very accurate.

Anyway, he then stops concentrating on the races and starts hitting on the girl instead. After a few more runs, he's completely forgotten about the races and that's a good thing since he only won 3 of them. However he ends up taking your girl home (no, you know what, I re-ran it was definitely your mom. Or sister?), and she stays the night (that's a guess - she may have left late that night).

The next day, the M3 guy the posts to M3Post about the whole thing. Except the thread gets locked because a huge debate breaks out because he doesn't have any pics of the girl.

So, was I close? What do I win?
I call BS!!! Only chicks drive 135's
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Ok, I thought through it a little more, ran it through the simulator, did some back-of-the-napkin math, and I think I figured it out. Remember, this is just a simulation, so results are approximate.

Ok. You and the M3 arrive at the track early Sunday morning (disclaimer: could have been a Wednesday night). Temp is a perfect 66 degrees F, or maybe it was 70. You get the idea - good weather for drag racing.

Now, the M3 guy arrives alone because M3 drivers have no friends (that's an estimation, he might have one friend, but no more). You arrive in the 135i with a whole posse in tow in various German cars (a C Class, a 335xi, and of course the obligatory Golf or GTI - there's always one of those, right?) consisting of lots of friends and family.

Soon the runs start and things are going well for you. After five runs the score is M3: 2, 135i: 3 (could be 1 and 4 respectively, I don't know for sure). Then after about five times down the strip, the M3 guy notices your girlfriend (or it could have been your sister or even your mom) is pretty hot. He casually starts hitting on the girl after each run, talking up his car, job - you know how it goes. This part was pretty easy to simulate because all M3 drivers are cocks - so we know this part is probably very accurate.

Anyway, he then stops concentrating on the races and starts hitting on the girl instead. After a few more runs, he's completely forgotten about the races and that's a good thing since he only won 3 of them. However he ends up taking your girl home (no, you know what, I re-ran it was definitely your mom. Or sister?), and she stays the night (that's a guess - she may have left late that night).

The next day, the M3 guy the posts to M3Post about the whole thing. Except the thread gets locked because a huge debate breaks out because he doesn't have any pics of the girl.

So, was I close? What do I win?

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