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      04-06-2011, 05:58 PM   #1
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Anyone Caring about the Govt Shutdown?

I haven't been caring at all, but it seems by Friday we might be without a good portion of Govt services, if a budget isn't agreed upon.

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      04-06-2011, 06:01 PM   #2
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Who gives a fuck? You really think anyone would notice?
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This is an interesting article in regards to that...

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/06/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
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Well ya, people would notice. 1.9 million people could be temporarily laid off due to this. I think someone would notice that...
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This is an interesting article in regards to that...

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/06/news...dex.htm?hpt=T2
"U.S. troops would be paid through April 8, but after that, paychecks to members of the military, including those in war zones, would stop. "

Not cool.
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No. It's not like that. A government shutdown doesnt mean things like military, law enforcement, ss and Medicare services and almost everything else will be shutdown. Just a couple IRS auditors and definitely congress. I truthfully don't care but I certainly hope that steps, no matter how drastic, are taken to lower our $14 trillion deficit. I just think the democrats should agree on the republicans budget plan. It really isn't as bad as it is being portrayed by the left and it'll cut the deficit by trillions within the next decade.It's happened many times before so I doubt there would be a revolution if the government shutdowns.
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Well ya, people would notice. 1.9 million people could be temporarily laid off due to this. I think someone would notice that...
No one would get laid off. They would be put on a temporary furlough.

Government was shut down twice in 1995. Nothing happened.
It's all grandstanding and high school drama bullshit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...utdown_of_1995
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The 1995 "shutdown" of the United States federal government was the result of a conflict between Democratic President Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress over funding for Medicare, education, the environment and public health. It took place after Clinton vetoed the spending bill which Congress sent him. Thereupon, the Federal government of the United States put non-essential government workers on furlough and suspended non-essential services from November 14 through November 19, 1995 and from December 16, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (see budget crisis). The major players were President Bill Clinton and the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives Newt Gingrich.
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No one would get laid off. They would be put on a temporary furlough.

Government was shut down twice in 1995. Nothing happened.
It's all grandstanding and high school drama bullshit.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...utdown_of_1995
I know, I said temporary, but still - there is no place for such a thing in our country today and I dont think it should have come down to this. (IMO)
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I just think the democrats should agree on the republicans budget plan. It really isn't as bad as it is being portrayed by the left and it'll cut the deficit by trillions within the next decade.It's happened many times before so I doubt there would be a revolution if the government shutdowns.
Wait... what? Republicans have a plan? How come we didn't hear about it? Or you are talking about cutting Medicare, which Republicans consider an entitlement even though we pay for that shit out of every damn paycheck we get?
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I know, I said temporary, but still - there is no place for such a thing in our country today and I dont think it should have come down to this. (IMO)
Oh, im with you on this. It should never come to this in a civilized country.... unless people who run this country act like they are still in high school?

And speaking of high school, im not the only one who thinks so
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/04/0...ool/index.html
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Wait... what? Republicans have a plan? How come we didn't hear about it? Or you are talking about cutting Medicare, which Republicans consider an entitlement even though we pay for that shit out of every damn paycheck we get?
would cutting medicare mean we would cease to pay into it from here on out?
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would cutting medicare mean we would cease to pay into it from here on out?
Even if we stopped paying in to it, they would bring up another tax to fill it's place.
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nope don't care. they don't do shit for me anyway.
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I care...but not for myself. I'm one of those people who are not going to be paid but still expected to work since I'm mission essential. I have money and I do not care if I get paid late. I will get back paid so that's not an issue. The main problem that I have is that the men and women overseas fighting the wars will not get paid. Those people are expected to continue to risk their lives not knowing when they will get paid again. Talk about destroying any motivation they had. I am not okay with this.

With all the petty bickering...if no budget is in place. They still get paid but the troops do not.
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would cutting medicare mean we would cease to pay into it from here on out?
Nope. The plan is to keep at as-is for people 55 and older. [GOP does not want to completely alienate their main voter base]
and have everyone else still pay for it, but have it voucher-based, where you present the voucher to the private insurance company,
hoping that they would cover your treatment.

So, we are still expected pay for it, but we will not be able to use it.
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I care...but not for myself. I'm one of those people who are not going to be paid but still expected to work since I'm mission essential. I have money and I do not care if I get paid late. I will get back paid so that's not an issue. The main problem that I have is that the men and women overseas fighting the wars will not get paid. Those people are expected to continue to risk their lives not knowing when they will get paid again. Talk about destroying any motivation they had. I am not okay with this.

With all the petty bickering...if no budget is in place. They still get paid but the troops do not.
+1000

that is entirely unfair, and just shows what the US Govt thinks about its armed forces... expendable is every aspect of the word.
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I'm just hoping they can agree on a budget... a gov't shutdown doesn't seem like the best thing right now.
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I kinda hope it does happen so all of the politicians look like assholes. I hope it pisses people off and shows how much of a cluster fuck our government is.
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Even if we stopped paying in to it, they would bring up another tax to fill it's place.
any chance would the money go towards a worthy cause, like getting us out of debt/salvaging the economy?

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Nope. The plan is to keep at as-is for people 55 and older. [GOP does not want to completely alienate their main voter base]
and have everyone else still pay for it, but have it voucher-based, where you present the voucher to the private insurance company,
hoping that they would cover your treatment.

So, we are still expected pay for it, but we will not be able to use it.
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This is what happens when a 3rd world country borrows money from other 3rd world countries to operate at a level they can't afford to.

*sigh* It's going to be hell when the U.S. can't pay back its debt. Oh wait! It's already happening.
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a lot of the government needs to be shut down permanently...the number of government to private employees is increasing at an alarming rate
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This is what happens when a 3rd world country borrows money from other 3rd world countries to operate at a level they can't afford to.

*sigh* It's going to be hell when the U.S. can't pay back its debt.
No it isn't. The US will use the Donald Trump tactic. Use your already highly leveraged debt to strong arm the creditors into financing future behavior for fear of catastrophic default. That how he has claimed bankruptcy 7 times yet remains a billionaire.
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