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      03-29-2011, 08:21 PM   #45
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OK... true story...

I have a friend who spent a lot of time in Texas and had relatives there. His uncle lives there. So a guy is breaking into his uncles house and ends up getting shot (the bad guy) outside the front door and dies... I don't know the complete circumstances, nor to I care. Anyway, when the cops arrive, one of the cops pulls the guy into the front entrance. My friend's uncle asks why he did that. Cop says because it means a lot less paperwork Don't know if it was bullshit or not but my buddy swears it is a true story.
Bullshit! I have heard various versions of this story.

Even in Texas there will be an investigation when someone gets shot and killed. This will involve investigators from agencies such as or similar to the local police department, the prosecutors office, a major crimes unit, coroners office, etc. Someone will realize very quickly that the body has been moved.

With any shooting there is a lot of paperwork. You are doing paperwork for years. There is the criminal investigation. The civil investigation, because you will get sued. Grand jury testimony. Interviews with attorneys.
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      03-29-2011, 08:28 PM   #46
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First off, I don't care if someone legally chooses to carry a gun. Having said that, it is interesting that the further north you go... even in the US... how different the attitude is towards the issue. My unscientific observation is that the southern US is very pro gun... northern US is much less so... Canada, well you know the answer there. I think it is as much a cultural and historical matter as anything else.

I do have to say that I am happy that 98% of us in Canada would never feel the need to ever carry a gun... maybe it's naive but it is the way it is. I don't know anyone, other than guys who hunt, who owns a gun. They could if they wanted as it isn't hard to get a handgun license but no one seems to care to. Although I could own a gun if I chose, legally, I would have to say it would suck if I felt like I needed to.

There are some crazy people out there... road rage, crazy tempers, etc ... for the most part, all you need to worry about is someone getting in a fight... it would be scary to also need to worry that they could be carrying a gun when they were pissed off with me for cutting them off or something.
There are alot of crazy people out there, they tend to do as they wish regardless of the law or the moral or legal implications of their actions. Always have been and always will be those kind of people. You can pass all the laws that punish everyone for the actions of the few but it won't stop the same few from doing what they will.

You are correct that different parts of the U.S. have different perceptions of the right to bear arms. That's why different states can handle it differently. I disagree though that it's a north/south thing. Socialist New york, Boston and the like suppress the majority of individual liberties for the sake of security. Minus perhaps Oregon, the N. boarder states that comprise the western U.S. are quite pro liberty/pro bill of rights.

It's not living in a state of paranoia, it's just being mindful as you wrote there are bad people out there. I don't carry all the time, just when I think there may be a need too.

You never let government disarm you, ask the Jews.

BTW, Canada is a fine country. I hope you can keep it that way.
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      03-29-2011, 08:34 PM   #47
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Bullshit! I have heard various versions of this story.

Even in Texas there will be an investigation when someone gets shot and killed. This will involve investigators from agencies such as or similar to the local police department, the prosecutors office, a major crimes unit, coroners office, etc. Someone will realize very quickly that the body has been moved.

With any shooting there is a lot of paperwork. You are doing paperwork for years. There is the criminal investigation. The civil investigation, because you will get sued. Grand jury testimony. Interviews with attorneys.

I know. I was involved in a deadly shooting during my career as a police officer.
I never said I believed him and it does sound completely ridiculous. However, you call him on it and he is adamant its true. Anyway, I tend to agree it sounds like an urban legend.
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      03-29-2011, 10:24 PM   #48
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If only I live in the US. Here in California, we can't carry in our cars (unless locked in the trunk), we're limited to 10 rounds, and it's virtually impossible to get a CCW in the greater LA area.
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      03-29-2011, 11:35 PM   #49
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I know, California is no place to be when it comes to owning guns. Unless your illegal and don't follow the law anyways. Then it's anything you want. No offense, but Cali government has screwed up what was once one the best states ever. Beautiful country, good jobs, innovation. Now business and working people are leaving due to the massive taxes and over-regulation.
And state-gov continues to do the same thing, refusing to see the massive cluster-f$%k they have created.

I don't think parts of SoCal are even American anymore. The die-hard illegals have taken it as part of Mexico now. Funny though, what do they think is going to happen. they came to partake in our success but refuse to assimilate. Thus recreating the same system that they fled. lovely.
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I use this one.

Where can i get one?

In all honesty, Mitch Rossen holsters ALL the way. I show holsters of different brands and prices in our holster class and its not until you compare them side by side till you see the difference.
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I keep my .45 in the center console or in the little pull out thing in the door. Either works fine.
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Have a look at this guy's holsters:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1194122

I bet if you remove the clips, you could attach it between the seat and the center console. There is a good grip on the pistol if you put it under the driver's seat it shouldn't fall out. He custom makes them so he could make one to fit your needs.

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Thanks! It looks like he could make something that would fit nicely, and maybe even match a couple of bolt holes for secure attachment.
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      03-30-2011, 11:41 AM   #53
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Your holster should be positioned so you have access to the gun with no problems. You should also be able to gain access to is and bring it to your target without muzzle sweeping you or a passenger.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/m5-...unk-mount.html
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      03-30-2011, 12:12 PM   #54
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Your holster should be positioned so you have access to the gun with no problems. You should also be able to gain access to is and bring it to your target without muzzle sweeping you or a passenger.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/m5-...unk-mount.html
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      03-30-2011, 01:50 PM   #55
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Thanks. There's some great ideas in this M5 thread, and in another thread referenced within that one.
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      03-30-2011, 02:33 PM   #56
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I just keep my H&K 45 in the glove box... I came close to getting jacked on the test drive, the night that I bought the car - So I will always have my 45 handy. This was 2 or 3 miles from BMW West in Houston.
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Why choose one when you can have them all?

I'm a big fan of .357 SIG and 9mm in 147gr JHP
That's what I got!!! I love it, too!
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Looking for quick access, if needed (would have mounted the third one upside-down):


But NOT this:
ummm all three methods are illegal.. must be concealed.. so if you're planning to have fixed holster, best spot is under the driver's seat//
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Since I rarely have a passenger I'm going to mount a M240 7.62mmx51mm on the passenger side and CS despensers on the M3's flanks. i'll slave the 240 to a head mounted optical sight too.
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In Texas, with CHL, you can carry firearm, concealed in public place (but even with CHL, you're not allowed to carry concealed in a liquor store or any bar(51% alcohol rule)). Also its illegal to consume or intoxicated by alcoholic beverages while you carry concealed(when any offense is committed).

Without CHL, any resident in Texas can have firearm in their private property and in their vehicle(concealed).

Of course, if you're convicted felon or convicted of family violence(Class A offense), you can't carry any firearms, period.
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ummm all three methods are illegal.. must be concealed.. so if you're planning to have fixed holster, best spot is under the driver's seat//
Nobody is thinking about muzzle sweeping??? We let our students try out their own methods and we put them to simunition. They almost ALWAYS shoot themselves this way.....

357 sig is hard to find and is not common. You might as well stick with 9mm +P or +P+ if your gun is rated for it. Regardless of calibur, nothing is as important is training.
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ummm all three methods are illegal.. must be concealed.. so if you're planning to have fixed holster, best spot is under the driver's seat//
I know that in Florida all three methods are perfectly legal if you have a Concealed Weapons Permit. It doesn't have to be concealed, it just means it's ok for you to conceal the weapon. Florida is an open carry state, which means you can keep the gun in your car without a permit as long as it's in plain view of someone standing outside the window. I'm not really sure what you're basing your judgement about the legality on.
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I know that in Florida all three methods are perfectly legal if you have a Concealed Weapons Permit. It doesn't have to be concealed, it just means it's ok for you to conceal the weapon. Florida is an open carry state, which means you can keep the gun in your car without a permit as long as it's in plain view of someone standing outside the window. I'm not really sure what you're basing your judgement about the legality on.
Florida isn't really an open carry state...that would allow people to walk around with side holsters and the firearms in plain view.
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I know that in Florida all three methods are perfectly legal if you have a Concealed Weapons Permit. It doesn't have to be concealed, it just means it's ok for you to conceal the weapon. Florida is an open carry state, which means you can keep the gun in your car without a permit as long as it's in plain view of someone standing outside the window. I'm not really sure what you're basing your judgement about the legality on.
here you go..

Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not (1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control.(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which (1) the handgun is in plain view; or(2) the person is (A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic;(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
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Wouldn't this be considered a concealed weapon? Assuming you all have permits for such a thing (which are hard to get, right?). I mean I have no issues getting a weapon since I have a clean background, but the permit to carry/conceal is a bit tricky, no?

Then again I suppose I could just carry it anyway, and if I ever get pulled over and the cop sees it I would fully expect my face to meet the asphalt in a quick fashion...
In most states you are correct, you would need a concealed carry. If you do not have a concealed carry permittypically the firearm needs to be unloaded and stored separately from the ammunition. For example, you could get the firearm behind the seat (unloaded) and the ammunition in the trunk.

Also remember, many states do not recognize each others concealed carry permits. So if you have a concealed carry permit in one state, that does not mean you are authorized to conceal carry in another state.

And yes, if you are pulled over and the officer discovers you have a concealed weapon (especially if you failed to tell the officer about it) and you DO NOT have a concealed carry permit, you better expect to have some problems with LE.

edit: as someone else mentioned, the rules are a bit different if you are in a open carry state (like Virginia)
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Also remember, many states do not recognize each others concealed carry permits. So if you have a concealed carry permit in one state, that does not mean you are authorized to conceal carry in another state.
Actually many states do recognize each others' CCL via reciprocity laws. You still have to know the laws to carrying in a vehicle in each state (ie. gun & ammo separate, in the trunk, etc). But - as an example - I know WY and UT recognize CO-approved CCL. It's not uncommon.
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