Proof of OE/Gintani dyno manipulation - Page 2

phusion974 · 03-25-2011, 12:01 PM

Dunno how true this is or not, but the MB/AMG community has been very happy with OE Tuning and its results, myself included.
I have been stopping by at OE TUNING/GINTANI for quite some time and they are running a legit/professional business.
People are gonna talk alot of shit, its just the nature of the beast.

m33 · 03-25-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FastGator

You been blowing other things for much longer than that, and none of them were whistles.. Just stop your crusade against an actual company please. some companies just perform, others dont. you chose to back the horse that doesnt run, wasted money, and spent 2-3x as much trying to get what others did right the first time. please let it go

Please.... Who are you kidding ? How about all the recent blown oe tuned MB motors ??? With comments like yours protecting a dirty company like gintani only makes yourself look dirtier...

phusion974 · 03-25-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by m33

Please.... Who are you kidding ? How about all the recent blown oe tuned MB motors ??? With comments like yours protecting a dirty company like gintani only makes yourself look dirtier...

Never heard of one MB motor being blown by OE Tuning. I know quite a few guys that run the OE Tune on E63's, C63's, 65's....not one problem.

Aries932 · 03-25-2011, 12:17 PM

I could be mistaken here...but the evidence you guys brought forth only possibly proves that they manipulated the dyno...all that means is that they claim they are putting out more HP than they really are..

I have yet to see any evidence that their actual product is bad. If their product was blowing up motors that would be a different issue. There is definitely a HP increase in there product that you can see in the various videos that have been posted.

So sure you have proof that they maybe they dont make that much HP, but I do not see how that is enough evidence to claim all the bullshit all of you are claiming...This is a forum and if you want to have a real discussion about things like this bring actual facts to the table....if you claim that many engines have been blown up by their tuning...dont just say so...post the evidence to an article....or thread. Until then you are just full of shit in my opinion.

At least that is just looking at this from an outside perspective.

m33 · 03-25-2011, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by phusion974

Never heard of one MB motor being blown by OE Tuning. I know quite a few guys that run the OE Tune on E63's, C63's, 65's....not one problem.

We'll see ,the truth always comes out .. I'm all for a good reputable company

Darth335 · 03-25-2011, 12:52 PM

Subscribed

persian54 · 03-25-2011, 12:57 PM

O.o

spdu4ea · 03-25-2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aries932

I could be mistaken here...but the evidence you guys brought forth only possibly proves that they manipulated the dyno...

Exactly right.

jimmyeatsworld · 03-25-2011, 01:12 PM

Subscribed.

Deceptive marketing and practices have been around the tuning scene for a long time. This is not a shocker.

img · 03-25-2011, 01:28 PM

huyner328 · 03-25-2011, 01:30 PM

Who really puts any weight on VENDOR dynos? 3rd party ftw.

chungdae · 03-25-2011, 01:32 PM

Oh boy.

riyatch · 03-25-2011, 01:34 PM

did the other thread get shut down.....i want the truth to come out. im going to stop buying from the vendors on this forum if all the bs continues and if this forum tries to help cover things up.

Jason · 03-25-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by riyatch

did the other thread get shut down.....i want the truth to come out. im going to stop buying from the vendors on this forum if all the bs continues and if this forum tries to help cover things up.

No thread has been shut down. And we're not here to cover up things for vendors or sponsors.

Sal@Evolve · 03-25-2011, 01:50 PM

Now you all understand how important it is for correction factors to be shown?

Doesn't matter if you go to a 3rd party dyno or not, the correction factors need to be displayed. You can do the simple maths yourselves then.

This has been manually calculated as being a 10% gain through the entire rpm range.

If there has been foul play you need to understand how it's done.

Myself and others have put up dyno cheating guides a long long time ago. No one listened or took note.

I would like to make it very clear............ until you can prove something was changed between the runs, you have 'zero' evidence.

You can change many many things to get a 10% difference.

phusion974 · 03-25-2011, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m33

We'll see ,the truth always comes out .. I'm all for a good reputable company

+1

Would you happen to know what specific car/engine blew becuase of the tune (E55, C63, ETC...)? Is there a link or something that I can check out?

Jason · 03-25-2011, 01:55 PM

Please keep posts on-topic and technical, or it will be removed.

Mrbojangles · 03-25-2011, 01:59 PM

People are so gullible these days.. They hear one thing from someone and TOTALLY throw it out of proportion..

Since when did OE Blow any MBZ vehicles???.. M33 it's CLEARLY obvious that you have some kind of hard on for OE/Gintani. If you hear one thing from someone, you AUTOMATICALLY believe its real.. or atleast preach that it is real just to bring them down..

As for the Dyno business, I wouldn't even want to say anything about it because I honestly don't know anything about dyno's and how they are supposed to run so I'm just going to keep my mouth shut on that one. If you do not know what you are talking about please don't talk at all. No one needs more BS then there already is.

E39hijinks · 03-25-2011, 03:10 PM

Looks like another BS thread/crusade against OE/Gintani spearheaded by a "rival" envious "tuner" and their minions. You're bringing the claims: prove them. Don't just mouth off and repeat what you've read or heard in forums. I for one am a satisfied OE customer.

Conjecture, speculation, and trolling FTMFL

Talor · 03-25-2011, 04:16 PM

what haters, just cause gintani's kits and OE tunes are murdering the competitions... gintani all the way, dirty business my ass

KiokenM3 · 03-25-2011, 04:30 PM

im just wondering how gintani could manipulate my dyno when i was there. alex was sitting in the driver seat and did run after run, jeremy was in the passenger seat tuning. neither of them left my car and never touching the dyno comp

Aries932 · 03-25-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KiokenM3

im just wondering how gintani could manipulate my dyno when i was there. alex was sitting in the driver seat and did run after run, jeremy was in the passenger seat tuning. neither of them left my car and never touching the dyno comp

Funny how when we all ask for them to stop talking unless they have concrete evidence...they all shut up...

Well I guess lets look on the bright side at least they know how to listen.

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phusion974 Lieutenant Drives: OE Tuned C63 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: L.A. Posts: 435 iTrader: (0)	Dunno how true this is or not, but the MB/AMG community has been very happy with OE Tuning and its results, myself included. I have been stopping by at OE TUNING/GINTANI for quite some time and they are running a legit/professional business. People are gonna talk alot of shit, its just the nature of the beast.

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Aries932 Lieutenant Drives: AW 2011 135i DCT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 596 iTrader: (2)	I could be mistaken here...but the evidence you guys brought forth only possibly proves that they manipulated the dyno...all that means is that they claim they are putting out more HP than they really are.. I have yet to see any evidence that their actual product is bad. If their product was blowing up motors that would be a different issue. There is definitely a HP increase in there product that you can see in the various videos that have been posted. So sure you have proof that they maybe they dont make that much HP, but I do not see how that is enough evidence to claim all the bullshit all of you are claiming...This is a forum and if you want to have a real discussion about things like this bring actual facts to the table....if you claim that many engines have been blown up by their tuning...dont just say so...post the evidence to an article....or thread. Until then you are just full of shit in my opinion. At least that is just looking at this from an outside perspective.

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riyatch Lieutenant Drives: e90 M3 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vegas Posts: 466 iTrader: (1)	did the other thread get shut down.....i want the truth to come out. im going to stop buying from the vendors on this forum if all the bs continues and if this forum tries to help cover things up.

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Sal@Evolve BimmerPost Supporting Vendor Drives: Slow Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Luton, Bedfordshire Posts: 793 iTrader: (0)	Now you all understand how important it is for correction factors to be shown? Doesn't matter if you go to a 3rd party dyno or not, the correction factors need to be displayed. You can do the simple maths yourselves then. This has been manually calculated as being a 10% gain through the entire rpm range. If there has been foul play you need to understand how it's done. Myself and others have put up dyno cheating guides a long long time ago. No one listened or took note. I would like to make it very clear............ until you can prove something was changed between the runs, you have 'zero' evidence. You can change many many things to get a 10% difference. Last edited by Sal@Evolve; 03-25-2011 at 03:22 PM.

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Mrbojangles Lieutenant Drives: BMW M3- Melbourne RED- Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: LA... The Valley Posts: 559 iTrader: (0)	People are so gullible these days.. They hear one thing from someone and TOTALLY throw it out of proportion.. Since when did OE Blow any MBZ vehicles???.. M33 it's CLEARLY obvious that you have some kind of hard on for OE/Gintani. If you hear one thing from someone, you AUTOMATICALLY believe its real.. or atleast preach that it is real just to bring them down.. As for the Dyno business, I wouldn't even want to say anything about it because I honestly don't know anything about dyno's and how they are supposed to run so I'm just going to keep my mouth shut on that one. If you do not know what you are talking about please don't talk at all. No one needs more BS then there already is.

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03-25-2011, 04:30 PM	#43
KiokenM3 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: LIFTED JEEP JK! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: LA Posts: 1,503 iTrader: (4)	im just wondering how gintani could manipulate my dyno when i was there. alex was sitting in the driver seat and did run after run, jeremy was in the passenger seat tuning. neither of them left my car and never touching the dyno comp __________________ Gintani SC ST2+, OE tuned, RPI GT EXHAUST=601WHP, 396TORQUE on 91pump. DYNOJET STD CF. SOLD

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