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      02-17-2011, 02:22 PM   #1
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I just got off the phone with the seller who told me that his car was "clean title with no accidents". The title has obviously been "washed" because carfax shows it was a total loss back in 2009.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst...210989748.html

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-M...t_27337wt_1170

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      02-17-2011, 02:27 PM   #2
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      02-17-2011, 03:16 PM   #3
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post the carfax.
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      02-17-2011, 03:21 PM   #4
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lol how dumb do people think others are
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      02-17-2011, 04:21 PM   #5
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post the carfax.
Unfortunately I don't have it. Just had a friend run it for me at a dealership over the phone.
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      02-17-2011, 04:26 PM   #6
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I am not sure how it works in the US being from Canada, but when you look at the history report and it shows on one of the lines "Vehicle registered to Insurance Company", is this not a tip off to being a wreck?
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      02-17-2011, 04:28 PM   #7
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Here's a pic with the VIN for when the ad expires.

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      02-17-2011, 04:30 PM   #8
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I am not sure how it works in the US being from Canada, but when you look at the history report and it shows on one of the lines "Vehicle registered to Insurance Company", is this not a tip off to being a wreck?
Yes, it would. However it is posted locally for sale and the seller flat out lied about the history over the phone.
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      02-17-2011, 04:39 PM   #9
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Yes, it would. However it is posted locally for sale and the seller flat out lied about the history over the phone.
Brutal. Just wondered why on the ebay listing it would still give a clean rating despite that line. Nice find - hopefully no one will be burned by this sale.
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      02-17-2011, 04:47 PM   #10
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Brutal. Just wondered why on the ebay listing it would still give a clean rating despite that line. Nice find - hopefully no one will be burned by this sale.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think certain states will not transfer salvage/rebuilt titles over so It's possible to wash a tittle clean if you know what you're doing. Pretty shady stuff...


VIN for easy google access: WBSWD93569PY43594
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      02-17-2011, 04:53 PM   #11
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the eBay link has AutoCheck from eBay and it seems pretty clean with "no accident" icon.
Registered to an insurance company seems lil funny but other than that, it looks like clean car according to AutoCheck.


5/14/2009 VOORHEES, NJ
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Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #E200913400000235)(Lien Reported)
05/31/2009 VOORHEES, NJ
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
11/10/2009 BERKELEY HEIGHTS, NJ
2,937
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE (Title #:RA200931400000086)
VEHICLE TITLED/REGISTERED TO AN INSURANCE COMPANY

12/17/2010 CA
4,158
Motor Vehicle Dept. ODOMETER READING FROM DMV
12/18/2010 CA
4,283
State Agency PASSED EMISSION INSPECTION
12/28/2010 MARINA DEL REY, CA
Motor Vehicle Dept. REGISTRATION EVENT/RENEWAL
01/07/2011 MARINA DEL REY, CA
Motor Vehicle Dept. TITLE
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      02-17-2011, 04:59 PM   #12
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^ Run a Carfax though and it will clearly state "total loss".

Either way, insurance companies are not in the business of buying cars unless they have to.
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      02-17-2011, 05:04 PM   #13
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Interesting... wow the car looks so ridiculously clean too. Usually cars with total losses will have missing bits here and there or a super worn out looking seats, strange stains etc. Everything looks immaculate and original... definitely tricky.
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      02-17-2011, 05:09 PM   #14
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free car faxes untl march 1 via everycarlisted iphone app i believe
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      02-17-2011, 05:11 PM   #15
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and that vin does not come up on carfax...
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      02-17-2011, 05:49 PM   #16
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and that vin does not come up on carfax...
It does. That iPhone App just sucks.

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      02-17-2011, 06:20 PM   #17
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If anyone has a free (or paid) carfax service, please post actual carfax.

This is really bad that one vin service (carfax) shows "total loss" and another reputable service (autocheck - carmax uses them in all of their stores) doesn't even show a ding on the same car.

If I'm the owner of the car, I'll sell it to carmax like right now as it doesn't even show up in the autocheck.
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      02-18-2011, 02:48 PM   #18
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i still want to see carfax. anyone?
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      02-18-2011, 04:58 PM   #20
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Exclamation CAR-FAX

Here you go..


Vehicle Information:
2009 BMW M3
VIN: WBSWD93569PY43594
COUPE
4.0L V8 FI DOHC 32V
REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
Standard Equipment
Power Windows, Power Steering, Air Conditioning, AM/FM CD/MP3, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel, 6-digit Odometer
Safety Options
4 wheel ABS, Running Lights, Dual air bags front and sides/active (manual) belts with automatic passenger sensor

Ownership HistoryThe number of owners is estimated Owner 1 Owner 2

Year purchased 2009 2010
Type of owner Personal Personal
Estimated length of ownership 1 yr. 7 mo. 1 month
Owned in the following states/provinces New Jersey California
Estimated miles driven per year --- ---
Last reported odometer reading 2,937 4,500
Title HistoryCARFAX guarantees the information in this section Owner 1 Owner 2


Owner 1
Purchased: 2009
Type: Personal
Where: New Jersey
Est. length owned: 5/14/09 - 12/17/10
(1 yr. 7 mo.)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:

10/27/2008 8 Devon Hill BMW
Devon, PA
610-687-9350
www.devonhillbmw.com State inspection completed
Ignition key reprogrammed
Pre-delivery inspection completed
Emissions inspection completed
Floor mats installed
Washed/detailed

05/02/2009 108 Service Plan Co.
Voorhees, NJ Service contract issued

05/05/2009 West German BMW
Fort Washington, PA
215-643-3322
www.westgermanbmw.com
ww.westgermanbmw.co
m Emissions inspection completed
Ignition key reprogrammed
State inspection completed
Pre-delivery inspection completed

05/14/2009 New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Voorhees, NJ
Title #DE20091340235 Title issued or updated
First owner reported
Registered as
personal vehicle
Loan or lien reported

06/13/2009 1,196 BMW of Mount Laurel
Mount Laurel, NJ
856-840-1400
www.desimonebmw.com Maintenance inspection completed
Engine/powertrain computer/module checked
Recommended maintenance performed
Transmission checked

08/14/2009 BMW of Towson
Towson, MD
410-296-7900
www.bmwtowson.com Vehicle serviced

11/10/2009 2,937 New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Berkeley Heights, NJ
Title #RA20093140086 Title or registration issued
to insurance company

11/23/2009 New Jersey
Damage Report TOTAL LOSS VEHICLE
Vehicle declared a total loss
Collision damage reported



Owner 2
Purchased: 2010
Type: Personal
Where: California
Est. length owned: 12/17/10 - 2/11/11
(1 month)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:

12/17/2010 4,158 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Marina del Rey, CA Odometer reading reported

12/18/2010 4,283 California
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection

12/28/2010 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Marina del Rey, CA Title issued or updated
New owner reported
02/11/2011 4,500 Dealer Inventory
Willimantic, CT Vehicle offered for sale
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Here you go..


Vehicle Information:
2009 BMW M3
VIN: WBSWD93569PY43594
COUPE
4.0L V8 FI DOHC 32V
REAR WHEEL DRIVE
Standard Equipment | Safety Options
Standard Equipment
Power Windows, Power Steering, Air Conditioning, AM/FM CD/MP3, Power Brakes, Tilt Wheel, 6-digit Odometer
Safety Options
4 wheel ABS, Running Lights, Dual air bags front and sides/active (manual) belts with automatic passenger sensor

Ownership HistoryThe number of owners is estimated Owner 1 Owner 2

Year purchased 2009 2010
Type of owner Personal Personal
Estimated length of ownership 1 yr. 7 mo. 1 month
Owned in the following states/provinces New Jersey California
Estimated miles driven per year --- ---
Last reported odometer reading 2,937 4,500
Title HistoryCARFAX guarantees the information in this section Owner 1 Owner 2


Owner 1
Purchased: 2009
Type: Personal
Where: New Jersey
Est. length owned: 5/14/09 - 12/17/10
(1 yr. 7 mo.)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:

10/27/2008 8 Devon Hill BMW
Devon, PA
610-687-9350
www.devonhillbmw.com State inspection completed
Ignition key reprogrammed
Pre-delivery inspection completed
Emissions inspection completed
Floor mats installed
Washed/detailed

05/02/2009 108 Service Plan Co.
Voorhees, NJ Service contract issued

05/05/2009 West German BMW
Fort Washington, PA
215-643-3322
www.westgermanbmw.com
ww.westgermanbmw.co
m Emissions inspection completed
Ignition key reprogrammed
State inspection completed
Pre-delivery inspection completed

05/14/2009 New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Voorhees, NJ
Title #DE20091340235 Title issued or updated
First owner reported
Registered as
personal vehicle
Loan or lien reported

06/13/2009 1,196 BMW of Mount Laurel
Mount Laurel, NJ
856-840-1400
www.desimonebmw.com Maintenance inspection completed
Engine/powertrain computer/module checked
Recommended maintenance performed
Transmission checked

08/14/2009 BMW of Towson
Towson, MD
410-296-7900
www.bmwtowson.com Vehicle serviced

11/10/2009 2,937 New Jersey
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Berkeley Heights, NJ
Title #RA20093140086 Title or registration issued
to insurance company

11/23/2009 New Jersey
Damage Report TOTAL LOSS VEHICLE
Vehicle declared a total loss
Collision damage reported



Owner 2
Purchased: 2010
Type: Personal
Where: California
Est. length owned: 12/17/10 - 2/11/11
(1 month)


Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:

12/17/2010 4,158 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Marina del Rey, CA Odometer reading reported

12/18/2010 4,283 California
Inspection Station Passed emissions inspection

12/28/2010 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Marina del Rey, CA Title issued or updated
New owner reported
02/11/2011 4,500 Dealer Inventory
Willimantic, CT Vehicle offered for sale
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