State of the Union Address

[drF80]

Originally Posted by 325 Baller

Thank you ganeil, I didnt have time to put these facts together, but I personally think the most important thing here is "No terrorist attacks on US Soil since 9/11." Everyone says this war is unjust, the GWB blows he cant find his way out of a paper bag, but obviously he is doing something right. Taking out Sadam and preventing attacks on our country mean nothing right? Its not worth fighting any more people. We are entitled to our opinions and thats basically all these are. Just remember, 2040, thats the big year for me!

You have my vote then...
In a mean time...why is it such a great accomplishment not to have the terrorist attack in 5.5 years??? We've done it before, why is this now so great??? What did you expect -- the 9-11 to happen every month?
Ah, yes, I get it, the GWB played that FEAR card on us and now everyone thinks the terrorists will act on weekly basis...

[325 Baller]

Its by no means a "great accomplishment" not to have terror atacks in 5.5 years, thats what the government is supposed to do, but in this day and age terrorists are using more conventional means to try to attack us. On that note, adapting to these means and foiling them is an accomplishment in its own respect. Yes some are going to argue, thats what the FBI/CIA is supposed to do, but think about it this way; the terrorists have the upper hand. They are the ones who are creating these new terror tactics and it is our job to find them and foil them. That there is the big accomplishment. It shows that our Federal Gov has gained some of the inter-department communication that analysts and former gov't officials said we had lost around the 9/11 time.

Doug

[drF80]

Originally Posted by 325 Baller

Its by no means a "great accomplishment" not to have terror atacks in 5.5 years, thats what the government is supposed to do, but in this day and age terrorists are using more conventional means to try to attack us. On that note, adapting to these means and foiling them is an accomplishment in its own respect. Yes some are going to argue, thats what the FBI/CIA is supposed to do, but think about it this way; the terrorists have the upper hand. They are the ones who are creating these new terror tactics and it is our job to find them and foil them. That there is the big accomplishment. It shows that our Federal Gov has gained some of the inter-department communication that analysts and former gov't officials said we had lost around the 9/11 time.

Doug

Doug, I hope you're completely right and that it will never happen.
However, I sincerely doubt it...

[325 Baller]

We all would like to believe that we have the upperhand on terrorists, but the reality is we will always be one step or in line with them and to be quite frank, thats not good enough. I dont know if it will ever be possible to be ahead of them unless we eliminate them, and IMO that is the only real way to guarantee our protection and freedom in this country. I know most of you dont agree with the reasons we were told we went to Iraq, but I am almost certain all of you agree that removing these terror cells or at least the heads of these terror groups and countries is a must on keeping this country and our allies countries safe from more and (god forbid) possibly worse attacks.

Doug

[drF80]

Originally Posted by 325 Baller

We all would like to believe that we have the upperhand on terrorists, but the reality is we will always be one step or in line with them and to be quite frank, thats not good enough. I dont know if it will ever be possible to be ahead of them unless we eliminate them, and IMO that is the only real way to guarantee our protection and freedom in this country. I know most of you dont agree with the reasons we were told we went to Iraq, but I am almost certain all of you agree that removing these terror cells or at least the heads of these terror groups and countries is a must on keeping this country and our allies countries safe from more and (god forbid) possibly worse attacks.

Doug

My biggest concern is actually that we're constantly behind them. 9-11 happened, then we decided to do almost Israel-like airport checks. Should have been done much before.
Then that freak tried to light up his shoes...we then, and only after that made everyone take their shoes off...
That is no intelligence work. My 2-year-old knows if something hurts her the first time not to touch it any more...

[325 Baller]

You made some very vaild points, and I agree. The problem is, if we were to do these Israel-like airport checks pre-9/11,(for the record I am not against these checks) we would have been called out by every civil rights activist group ever created. The shoes thing, that was pure our CIA/FBI's fault for not doing their research into different forms of bombs. For all we know they did research this and found it to be an inviable option. Again that is one of our countries biggest faults, lack of communication between our intelligence departments. If we can reform our Intelligence department to where they are all on the same page and have a uniform system to share their info.

Thats all for now,

Doug

[shragon]

Originally Posted by ganeil

Highest Home Ownership Rate Ever Recorded

everybody's doing it because everybody else is. similar to the dot com era. if the real estate market crashes, a lot of people are going to be in deep doo doo.

Originally Posted by ganeil

No Terrorist Attacks on US Soil Since 9/11/01

don't forget 9/11 happened on w's watch. personally, i don't feel any safer now then i did before. but i am thankful nothing has happened since then.

[Fraggy]

If one trys to postulate that somehow engaging in the war in Iraq has prevented terrorist attacks at home, I then ask what has been gained?

In 9/11 we lost around 3000 people who were killed.

Thus far in the war, over 3000 Americans have been killed. Its kinda evening out. And at a cost about 1000 lives per year to prevent a terrorist attack (if thats even possible), I think we'd be better off not fighting a war, and using our resources as best possible. Even if we had one terror attack every 10 years, fewer Americans would die then are dying at the current rate.

We're sending Americans to their deaths just to prevent Americans from dying, doesnt seem to be making a lot of sense to me.

[mike138]

you know what.................. its all B.S. .........................politics ...................................nuthing to do with my friends who died ..................... your constitution means ............... nuthin ....................................... i quit ....................... go socialismmmmm

[drF80]

Originally Posted by mike138

you know what.................. its all B.S. .........................politics ...................................nuthing to do with my friends who died ..................... your constitution means ............... nuthin ....................................... i quit ....................... go socialismmmmm

here is Mikey again
Hey, enjoy tht black beauty and that blonde in Italy...

[mike138]

Originally Posted by dr325i

here is Mikey again
Hey, enjoy tht black beauty and that blonde in Italy...

[Carnage]

Originally Posted by Driv3r

hopefully youll make desicions on the populations behalf, and not become corrupted and a puppet for corporations...

why not, half the fun is using them to secure 100K speaking engagements and 10 million a year seats on the board after you're out of office.