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View Poll Results: Carbon Fiber Roof or Sunroof?
Carbon Fiber Roof 146 75.26%
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      04-19-2007, 02:33 AM   #45
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Yeap... "my bad!" Live and learn! Next time I will be quicker with the quick detail. I think I am testing the Evo to see how much abuse it can take.... 48K miles and no probs yet......
Not your bad at all. The "bad" was the inexperienced designer, engineer or cheapie business person who would not insure that this part used the proper resins/clear coats to be strongly resistant to known environmental conditions. I have faith that BMW will choose better for their CF roof. Nonetheless, I can see myself with the rags and windex in the trunk to combat the damn birds near my gf's place.
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      04-19-2007, 07:59 AM   #46
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The thing is going to be the fastest M3 to date so who cares....drop it folks...

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      04-19-2007, 08:46 AM   #47
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Carbon Fiber, carbon fiber... XD
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      04-19-2007, 09:41 AM   #48
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I know a lot of people drive an M3 because of the M branding.
Very good point - it's sad to see that. Just remember that not everybody that opts for the sunroof is like that. I'll be running my car to redline daily.
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      04-19-2007, 12:09 PM   #49
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why is this even being discussed? they aren't offering any options for a sunroof.
Exactly, as of right now none will come with it...........

Possible they might make it for America but.........I doubt it.....

The 6 doesn't have one and it's not even an "M"..

Seems like there's 2 things new "M"s don't have anymore.....

Fogs and sunroofs.....
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      04-19-2007, 03:16 PM   #50
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~3700 lbs... race oriented...??

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Exactly, as of right now none will come with it...........

Possible they might make it for America but.........I doubt it.....

The 6 doesn't have one and it's not even an "M"..

Seems like there's 2 things new "M"s don't have anymore.....

Fogs and sunroofs.....
I can just see a opportunity for a boom for aftermarket fogs then, kaching!
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Exactly, as of right now none will come with it...........

Possible they might make it for America but.........I doubt it.....

The 6 doesn't have one and it's not even an "M"..

Seems like there's 2 things new "M"s don't have anymore.....

Fogs and sunroofs.....

Sunroof is a no charge option. It's option number 403. Furthermore, this exact information is posted on the first page of this thread.

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      04-19-2007, 10:13 PM   #53
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everyone is looking at this wrong... it's not about the weight savings for speed. its about lowering weight from the top of car, which lowers the center of gravity by fairly large margin, which increases the handling GREATLY.
No, I'm not ignoring that issue. The difference of 11 lbs between steel & CF roof you will never feel unless you race. The difference of ~46 lb. between steel roof with sunroof and CF roof w/o you will only feel under track conditions. I comes down to what pushes your buttons. I use the sunroof in my E46 frequently, but I'd be willing to sacrafice it for the uniqueness of the CF roof. I guess, if I had the choice, I'd take the CF roof with sunroof, but looks like that will not be an option from BMW, though it's been done.
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      04-20-2007, 12:24 AM   #54
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      04-20-2007, 02:22 AM   #55
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Don't only hardcore enthusiasts buy M3s anyways?

I couldn't say which I would pick....I love my sunroof on my 330Ci...
no dude, frigin 80 year old grandmas have m3's now. there not rare at all. everyone and the mother has this one and the e92 will end up being the same way
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no dude, frigin 80 year old grandmas have m3's now. there not rare at all. everyone and the mother has this one and the e92 will end up being the same way
So that's why guys like us need to drive it as M intended, so at least some will be driven properly.
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no dude, frigin 80 year old grandmas have m3's now. there not rare at all. everyone and the mother has this one and the e92 will end up being the same way
Same with RS4s.
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Same with RS4s.
that is certainly not true, considering in the time the Rs4 has been out...i've seen 2 driving. and i live in orange county. it's like lame audi central.
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      04-20-2007, 10:39 AM   #59
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You know, I think the CF roof is very cool. But every car I've owned has had a moonroof. It's to the point where if I don't have the light shining it, it's a bit claustrophobic for me. I like the open-ness of the moonroof. If it's a no cost option, I'll probably opt for it.
That would be my vote also - without hesitation.
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that is certainly not true, considering in the time the Rs4 has been out...i've seen 2 driving. and i live in orange county. it's like lame audi central.
Was just saying that in response to the OP.
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its not just weight the CF is reducing

doesnt it help the handling?

center of gravity balancing
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      04-20-2007, 03:39 PM   #63
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no dude, frigin 80 year old grandmas have m3's now. there not rare at all. everyone and the mother has this one and the e92 will end up being the same way
He was kidding.

Neither here not there. The M3 will still take your RS4 to the clinic. Enjoy.
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that is certainly not true, considering in the time the Rs4 has been out...i've seen 2 driving. and i live in orange county. it's like lame audi central.
Smart drivers in orange county prefer to wait for the E92 M3?
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Its silly as hell to worry about sunroof vs. CF in terms of performance. 99.9% of us won't be able to tell the difference. Only sensitive instrumentation and / or actual lap times will know for certain. Get whatever makes you feel better.
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Its silly as hell to worry about sunroof vs. CF in terms of performance. 99.9% of us won't be able to tell the difference. Only sensitive instrumentation and / or actual lap times will know for certain. Get whatever makes you feel better.
If 99.9% of us won't be able to tell the difference that means 99.9% will never get to experience the M3 at its full potential. That is sad

I will be one of the few making up the 0.1% :rocks: But then again I am blessed with 3 great racetracks within 2 hours of me and some of the world's best back roads within a half hour.

Sorry to those living in flat country . . .
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