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      04-11-2007, 03:41 PM   #23
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Having top down car, driving through the Night in the Alps, or in the Black Forrest, or the canyons or mountains of just about any continent, with 98%
of the performance of a coupe and if you live in Germany, legally
Priceless
Germany? LOL! Go buy a 335i, that's all you need for your flat and straight autobahns!

Swiss mountain passes, that's where an M belongs!!!
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Last time I checked no-one said the convertable is better handling than a
Coupe, it weighs more and costs more why ?

Top down motoring is expensive, they do improve the rigidity of
convertables to make them handle like a coupe.

Having a coup/e is fun to drive at speed is incredible

Having top down car, driving through the Night in the Alps, or in the Black Forrest, or the canyons or mountains of just about any continent, with 98%
of the performance of a coupe and if you live in Germany, legally
Priceless

Have you seen a Formula one car with roof
Nascar Maybe,


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I instruct for four different track clubs. I race in time trials. I won my class last year in an E36 M3 -- with a roof.

Formula 1 cars are designed without a roof, as are Boxsters, S2000s, etc. Thus they are designed from the ground up to be stiff and relatively light (3000 lbs or so). It allows them to handle well.

An M3 is designed as a 4-seat coupe. With the E92 M3, it even has a CF roof to keep it light and with a lower center of gravity. Huge strides are taken to make it have a stiff chassis that does not flex when presented with huge loads in high G corners. This allows the suspension to do its job properly and allows the car to grip the pavement and remain balanced.

By hacking off the roof to create the M3 Convertible additional chassis strengthening is necessary just to make it half as stiff as the coupe. This, plus the electric mechanism that raises and lowers the top, plus the metal top itself, weigh at least 400-500 lbs. For reference the 335i Vert weighs 400 lbs more than the 335i coupe (which has a metal roof and sunroof). I'll bet the M3 Vert will weigh over 4000 lbs.

I am NOT against convertibles (I have an S2000). I too love putting the top down and running through the No Cal twisties. But to take a car that costs a lot of money because of how much engineering went into making it stiff, strong, relatively light, and fast, and then chopping off the roof, thus eliminating so much of what was good about it makes no sense.

But I have the mindset of a racer, not someone who just wants to drive a cool looking, V8 powered, heavy 4-seat convertible. I'd rather get a used S2K for $15K for when you want to do the top-down thing and then get the real M3 -- the coupe (or sedan).

OK, enough mudslinging. Just opinions, guys!

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I love convertibles, but the weight, handling and performance penalty bothers me a lot. That's why I passed on the M6 Convertible. Unless M performs some special magic on the M3 Convertible implementation, I will likely pass on that too.

However, if the rumored Z4 M Roadster comes out with the new V8, that would be impossible for me to pass up. Unlike the 3-series, the Z4 was designed to be a roadster. The roadster version of the Z4 M actually weighs 33 lbs less than its Z4 M Coupe sibling. While I believe the Coupe handles better, the convertible penalty is way lower here than elsewhere in the BMW line.

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I instruct for four different track clubs. I race in time trials. I won my class last year in an E36 M3 -- with a roof.

Formula 1 cars are designed without a roof, as are Boxsters, S2000s, etc. Thus they are designed from the ground up to be stiff and relatively light (3000 lbs or so). It allows them to handle well.

An M3 is designed as a 4-seat coupe. With the E92 M3, it even has a CF roof to keep it light and with a lower center of gravity. Huge strides are taken to make it have a stiff chassis that does not flex when presented with huge loads in high G corners. This allows the suspension to do its job properly and allows the car to grip the pavement and remain balanced.

By hacking off the roof to create the M3 Convertible additional chassis strengthening is necessary just to make it half as stiff as the coupe. This, plus the electric mechanism that raises and lowers the top, plus the metal top itself, weigh at least 400-500 lbs. For reference the 335i Vert weighs 400 lbs more than the 335i coupe (which has a metal roof and sunroof). I'll bet the M3 Vert will weigh over 4000 lbs.

I am NOT against convertibles (I have an S2000). I too love putting the top down and running through the No Cal twisties. But to take a car that costs a lot of money because of how much engineering went into making it stiff, strong, relatively light, and fast, and then chopping off the roof, thus eliminating so much of what was good about it makes no sense.

But I have the mindset of a racer, not someone who just wants to drive a cool looking, V8 powered, heavy 4-seat convertible. I'd rather get a used S2K for $15K for when you want to do the top-down thing and then get the real M3 -- the coupe (or sedan).

OK, enough mudslinging. Just opinions, guys!

im trending more and more to the coupe side...and i will prolly get the coupe in the end . Seeing it in Alpine White with that CF roof ...
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Germany? LOL! Go buy a 335i, that's all you need for your flat and straight autobahns!

Swiss mountain passes, that's where an M belongs!!!
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Thats why Munich is so close to Austria:

I envy the Swiss for the mountain passes, But the back roads of Germany
and the roads through the Forrests are a close second, and risking a war with a neutral country, Austria may have the best passes

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I instruct for four different track clubs. I race in time trials. I won my class last year in an E36 M3 -- with a roof.

Formula 1 cars are designed without a roof, as are Boxsters, S2000s, etc. Thus they are designed from the ground up to be stiff and relatively light (3000 lbs or so). It allows them to handle well.

An M3 is designed as a 4-seat coupe. With the E92 M3, it even has a CF roof to keep it light and with a lower center of gravity. Huge strides are taken to make it have a stiff chassis that does not flex when presented with huge loads in high G corners. This allows the suspension to do its job properly and allows the car to grip the pavement and remain balanced.

By hacking off the roof to create the M3 Convertible additional chassis strengthening is necessary just to make it half as stiff as the coupe. This, plus the electric mechanism that raises and lowers the top, plus the metal top itself, weigh at least 400-500 lbs. For reference the 335i Vert weighs 400 lbs more than the 335i coupe (which has a metal roof and sunroof). I'll bet the M3 Vert will weigh over 4000 lbs.

I am NOT against convertibles (I have an S2000). I too love putting the top down and running through the No Cal twisties. But to take a car that costs a lot of money because of how much engineering went into making it stiff, strong, relatively light, and fast, and then chopping off the roof, thus eliminating so much of what was good about it makes no sense.

But I have the mindset of a racer, not someone who just wants to drive a cool looking, V8 powered, heavy 4-seat convertible. I'd rather get a used S2K for $15K for when you want to do the top-down thing and then get the real M3 -- the coupe (or sedan).

OK, enough mudslinging. Just opinions, guys!

Racer Mindset ?

Thats interesting that you say that, I have tracked, instructed, autocrossed
and soloed in many different vehicles, P-Car 356s, 911s Boxsters, Boxster S,
and RS Americas, Hondas S-2000 (2) 4 Datsun 510s and a BMW 2002.

I am currently licensed to drive in FIA events, have raced a BMW 1 series and a Bora (Jetta there) with turbo diesels that are hard tops and are
very fast overall (lots of torque, light and very controlable) these are not streetable machines they are track cars. I will be a pit man, sparedriver in the 24 at the Ring in June. If I buy into a ride, that 24 hour period will cost appoximately as much as a used S-2000 especially. maybe a bit less.

My point was to have a Hard top / Softtop car that would perform anywhere close to within 95-to-98 percent of the coupe version is a great achievement Driven a 335 cab, and 335 coupe relatively hard, have you ?

Take a look at the German Magazine autobild who tested the 335cab against the 997s(911 cab) the 335 with sport package and 17"s lapped the Hockenheimring 2-3 seconds slower than a more power Porsche 997S Cab on 19"s It was 1/2 the price. Really !

Now obviously the cab will be heavier than the coupe, but Have you noticed the body panels of the cab being different than the coupe? that the whole frame has been tuned to be NEAR that of a coupe. BMW has lightened many areas to keep the weight down and the chassis stiff The M series will be built the same way.Yes it weighs more, they didnt just cut the roof off and weld, they did a lot more than that.

If you can spend $50-60 K on an M coupe will you strip it of weight and race prepare the car ? will you track it as is or modify it? Do you know why there are so many Porsche GT3s on the market with low miles? They are a track car, street legal maybe, but hard to enjoy without a track.

I didnt buy a E-46 M-3 vert because of the Cowl shake, same with the Audi. Now go test drive a 335 cab and check for yourself. the M will likely be even better. But I will test it first, hopefully you will too.

If you love top down driving, buy a vert, they hold their value better than a coupe.

If you want it for the track order a car stripped,No air no PS PW PDL, no carpet, 2 seats (or better yet one) no radio
LW back windows roll cage and gut and change the suspension, then drive it, its great on the track but will kill you on the freeway

A coupe is a blast to drive, I have a 67 911S that will blow you away I also have a 67 911S Soft window targa that is more flexible but with the top off, rear window folded, and the 6 Webers sucking air and the sun hitting your head on a mountain pass, its much more visceral.

To sum up my long, waiting for an airplane post

Yes a car is like a woman

If you want good sex find It, if they drive you nuts put up with it
If you want want a friend find someone you can talk with forget the sex
If you want a partner find as much of both as you can, someone you can live with and know their weaknesses and strengths, and make your decision, go with it, enjoy even marry If you picked right you will be happy, if not you will
likely always want something else, to each his own.

Everything in life is a compromise, Even a BMW



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I'll bet the M3 Vert will weigh over 4000 lbs.
It might. However, there are rumors that it will get an aluminum top instead of a steel one. So it might end up weighing less than the 335i convertible, just as the M3 coupe will (apparently anyway) weigh less than the 335i coupe. Still won't be light by any means but then again neither is an M5 or M6.

In fact, speaking of those cars (the M5 or M6), the only reason I can see to get one of those vs. an M3 sedan or coupe (or convertible for that matter) would be to have more space. And that certainly has absolutely no benefit on the track either, but that doesn't mean we should just go into the M5/M6 forum and call them all posers. LOL - but I gotta say it would be funny to see how swiftly you'd get flamed if you did that though.

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But I have the mindset of a racer, not someone who just wants to drive a cool looking, V8 powered, heavy 4-seat convertible. I'd rather get a used S2K for $15K for when you want to do the top-down thing and then get the real M3 -- the coupe (or sedan).
That's fine for you. Different people have different requirements for a car. I'd personally much rather actually drive my car than let it sit in the garage half or more of the time. I need a rear seat because I have a kid, so an S2000 won't work as a daily driver for me.

And speaking of the coupe vs. sedan, the sedan is a compromise as well. According to this article:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=3948

the coupe is 25% stiffer. Not to mention the fact that the M3 sedan probably won't get the carbon fibre roof. So even the sedan buyer will be making concessions over the coupe for the sake of convenience. Personally I'd much rather make concessions in the name of more fun on my daily drive, but that's just me.

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OK, enough mudslinging. Just opinions, guys!
Opinions are great, but coming into a forum and insulting people out of the blue simply because you don't understand them is pretty stupid. Nice to see you actually post something with substance though. I have no problem discussing the tradeoffs associated with the convertible in a civilized manner.
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Well stated, guys.

Sorry if the poser comment came off as a personal insult to anyone.

Much like you imagined me as some 19 year old punk (I wish I was still that young), I imagined some of you as guys who tool around at 3000 RPM in their Vert without really experiencing the "M" part of the car.

Glad to see your experience (esp. track experience) proves me wrong.

You do have to thank me for the poser comment, though. It got a real discussion started about the true pros and cons of Verts vs. Hardtops, with a bit of technical stuff mixed in.

I'd be happy to drive with either of you in your M3 Verts anytime . . .
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rich, scamming people over the Internet or are a latchkey kid with Internet
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For the most part trust appropriately, and use your BS Detector,
If Its derrogatory take it off line, Ok once in a while someone so
obnoxious needs bitch-slapped (I digress)

The reason I have the following line :

TELL me what REAL Drivers training you have after besides your State Drivers License ? Think about it ?

I hear drag race and street racing stories here all the time. I watched a single parent family lose their mother to one of these idiots, and I have been to too many funerals stateside.

I have lived in the Western States, Japan, Italy and Germany I made some stupid mistakes trying to learn to drive on public roads, Caused some havoc and nearly killed myself. Now thanks to driving schools and Sports car owning neighbors I learned correctly and safely thanks to PCA, and other clubs I learned how little I knew. I had the ugliest 510 Datsun that you ever saw, but it could outperform a lot of Prettier cars and I became a better Driver thats why..................

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Well stated, guys.

Sorry if the poser comment came off as a personal insult to anyone.

Much like you imagined me as some 19 year old punk (I wish I was still that young), I imagined some of you as guys who tool around at 3000 RPM in their Vert without really experiencing the "M" part of the car.

Glad to see your experience (esp. track experience) proves me wrong.

You do have to thank me for the poser comment, though. It got a real discussion started about the true pros and cons of Verts vs. Hardtops, with a bit of technical stuff mixed in.

I'd be happy to drive with either of you in your M3 Verts anytime . . .

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No Harm, I cannot tell if you are 12, 19, or 32 , if you live in Nigeria and got
rich, scamming people ove the Internet or are a latchkey kid with Internet
access whos read way to many magazines. or both.

For the most part trust appropriately, and use your BS Detector,
If Its derrogatory take it off line, Ok once in a while someone so
obnoxious needs bitch-slapped (I digress)

The reason I have the following line :

TELL me what REAL Drivers training you have after besides your State Drivers License ? Think about it ?

I hear drag race and street racing stories here all the time. I watched single parent family lose their mother to one of these idiots, and I have been to too
Many funerals stateside.

I have lived in the Western States, Japan, Italy and Germany I made some stupid mistakes trying to learn to drive on public roads, Caused some havicand nearly killed myself. Now thanks to driving schools and Sports car owning neighbors I learned correctly and safely thanks to PCA, and othe clubs I learned how little I knew. I had the ugliest 510 Datsun that you ever saw, but it could outperform a lot of Prettier cars and I became a better Driver

Drivers training is a gift pass it on

Remember in Germany it cost about $2500 USD to get a drivers license


TELL me what REAL Drivers training you have after besides your State Drivers License ? Think about it ?








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Well stated, guys.

Sorry if the poser comment came off as a personal insult to anyone.

Much like you imagined me as some 19 year old punk (I wish I was still that young), I imagined some of you as guys who tool around at 3000 RPM in their Vert without really experiencing the "M" part of the car.

Glad to see your experience (esp. track experience) proves me wrong.

You do have to thank me for the poser comment, though. It got a real discussion started about the true pros and cons of Verts vs. Hardtops, with a bit of technical stuff mixed in.

I'd be happy to drive with either of you in your M3 Verts anytime . . .
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I instruct for four different track clubs. I race in time trials. I won my class last year in an E36 M3 -- with a roof.

Formula 1 cars are designed without a roof, as are Boxsters, S2000s, etc. Thus they are designed from the ground up to be stiff and relatively light (3000 lbs or so). It allows them to handle well.

An M3 is designed as a 4-seat coupe. With the E92 M3, it even has a CF roof to keep it light and with a lower center of gravity. Huge strides are taken to make it have a stiff chassis that does not flex when presented with huge loads in high G corners. This allows the suspension to do its job properly and allows the car to grip the pavement and remain balanced.

By hacking off the roof to create the M3 Convertible additional chassis strengthening is necessary just to make it half as stiff as the coupe. This, plus the electric mechanism that raises and lowers the top, plus the metal top itself, weigh at least 400-500 lbs. For reference the 335i Vert weighs 400 lbs more than the 335i coupe (which has a metal roof and sunroof). I'll bet the M3 Vert will weigh over 4000 lbs.

I am NOT against convertibles (I have an S2000). I too love putting the top down and running through the No Cal twisties. But to take a car that costs a lot of money because of how much engineering went into making it stiff, strong, relatively light, and fast, and then chopping off the roof, thus eliminating so much of what was good about it makes no sense.

But I have the mindset of a racer, not someone who just wants to drive a cool looking, V8 powered, heavy 4-seat convertible. I'd rather get a used S2K for $15K for when you want to do the top-down thing and then get the real M3 -- the coupe (or sedan).

OK, enough mudslinging. Just opinions, guys!

An M3 is not designed to be a coupe, an M3 is designed to be a high-performance variant of the regular 3-series line. An M3 coupe is no more a pure M3 than the sedan or convertible, so I don't know what you mean when you say a "real M3". Your argument sounds like BMW engineered the M3 only as a coupe and then tried to add the M3 goodies to other variants. For some reason, I tend to believe that BMW took a 3-series convertible and upgraded it with all the M3 hardware and tuned it specific for the chassis. So while the convertible may not perform as well as the coupe, it's by no means a "compromise". And besides, why does it matter that someone else wants an M3 convertible.

Trying to argue which is better is pointless because people will buy what they want to buy. I would personally opt for the sedan, but that's just me. If I see an M3 convertible rolling down the street, great, I'm sure he's having a great time. I wouldn't call him a poser.
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Seriously, anyone who gets an M3 Vert is a poser. That car will weight 4000 lbs and lack rigidity. Just get a 335i Vert with Procede and be done. You need the roof for performance.
I disagree. Get what you want based upon whats most important to you. We're not all worried about "posing". Personally, I want the coupe because I like knowing that I am driving what is the fastest and best handling model. How many of us will really ever use the M3 to its full potential anyway, maybe 5% of us? Certainly not on the public streets.

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No Harm, I cannot tell if you are 12, 19, or 32 , if you live in Nigeria and got
rich, scamming people over the Internet or are a latchkey kid with Internet
access whos read way to many magazines. or both.

For the most part trust appropriately, and use your BS Detector,
If Its derrogatory take it off line, Ok once in a while someone so
obnoxious needs bitch-slapped (I digress)

The reason I have the following line :

TELL me what REAL Drivers training you have after besides your State Drivers License ? Think about it ?

I hear drag race and street racing stories here all the time. I watched a single parent family lose their mother to one of these idiots, and I have been to too many funerals stateside.

I have lived in the Western States, Japan, Italy and Germany I made some stupid mistakes trying to learn to drive on public roads, Caused some havoc and nearly killed myself. Now thanks to driving schools and Sports car owning neighbors I learned correctly and safely thanks to PCA, and other clubs I learned how little I knew. I had the ugliest 510 Datsun that you ever saw, but it could outperform a lot of Prettier cars and I became a better Driver thats why..................

M for Motorsport

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Remember in Germany it cost about $2500 USD to get a drivers license


TELL me what REAL Drivers training you have after besides your State Drivers License ? Think about it ?
My driver training came when I was 16, when I went to the DMV, drove around the block with a driving assessor, backed into a spot, and got my license. What an accomplishment!

I kid, of course. I was taught by the BMW CCA, Boston chapter, both on the track (Watkins Glen, NHIS, Lime Rock) and autocross. I then moved to CA, where I went through an instructor training course and subsequently became an HPDE instructor with NASA, Trackmasters, Nor. CA Racing Club, and Hooked on Driving. I have subsequently instructed over 100 students, so I do feel I have passed on a good portion of driver training. I also run my own driver training course with high end owners of Ferraris, Porsches, etc, and have had the pleasure of driving an F430 at 9/10 at several tracks.

I am jealous of the driver training that is required to get your license in Germany. There are so many bad drivers in the US who clog the roads and create dangerous situations in normal driving, let alone inclement weather. I moved to Northern CA partially for the tracks (Sears Point, Laguna Seca, Thunderhill, etc) but also for the great, relatively well maintained and desolate backroads. I, too, cringe, when I hear about and see videos of the street racing stories. What is the talent in pushing your right foot to the floor and (maybe) shifting once or twice, and at the same time putting everyone else in danger since they have not developed the ability to truly control their car?

I am with you on having to make somewhat of a compromise with the car I choose. I have the M3 for the track and back roads (I have yet to go to a track-only set up for reasons of practicality = no tow vehicle!). I have a Legacy GT Wagon for Tahoe, Mt biking, windsurfing and as the general "workhorse." And come this Summer I will be trading in the splendid supercharged S2000 for a 335i sedan, which is necessitated by my first kid on the way!! I will do my best not to modify it too much (the car, I mean). I suspect that when the M3 sedan comes out the 335i will be traded in for it quicker than you can say "NA 420 HP!"

I am glad to hear they may have resolved the cowl shake with the 335i/M3 vert. It should be a terrific machine, especially with the top down and the glorious V8 engine at 8K RPM!

BTW, if I were smart I'd get the Vert, too -- to prevent me from turning it into a track car at some point in its life (I tend to track every car I ever own, and verts are not the safest in a roll, so it might prevent me from beating it up at Sears )
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I think i'd feel like a woman if i drove a vert...

here come the flamessssss
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Who's seen the latest GM commercial with all the new cars (like T.I. and the Impala), and then at the end the hick in the corvette listening to honky tonk music....

And that is why I would never ever buy a Corvette... haha

ppl may say BMW owners are rich pricks or something... so following that logic, should BMW make a commercial with a prick being a prick and then getting in a bimmer... no. that would be dumb.

Before some vette-loving tim mcgraw flames me, I fully realize that cars do not define ppl, but I can't help laughing at this commercial.




Well after reading this and the post about the vert, you are either
a woman who has great taste in cars, or have some Gender issues

You really could be open minded, the car does not make the Man
(or woman) and having an open mind is how we got the M in the
first place Ever drive an M1

Doyou think listening to a certain type of music makes you a hick?

Heres a really good question Ever driven a Vette ? or any other
car on a track? ( other than in a straight line !)

Let me ask in jest what colors tell you about the driver?



TELL me what Real Drivers training you have after besides your State Drivers License ? Think about it ?
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      04-14-2007, 09:34 PM   #38
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There's one reason why I detest the CC and that's because it doesn't have 50/50 weight distribution, something the brand has harped on about for years. That's like dropping the Hofmeister kink - sacrilege


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      04-15-2007, 06:50 AM   #39
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I think i'd feel like a woman if i drove a vert...

here come the flamessssss
LOL, no flames for that, can't help how ya feel. Personally I'd feel like a woman driving a 325i auto and lots of guys around here drive those. I feel the same way with white cars or cars with light colored interiors. Just don't feel manly to me. Just MHO though.

But you are missing out on lots of fun tho!
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Why the swipe at Nigerians??

[quote=gmund1948;860111]No Harm, I cannot tell if you are 12, 19, or 32 , if you live in Nigeria and got
rich, scamming people over the Internet or are a latchkey kid with Internet
access whos read way to many magazines. or both.
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      04-16-2007, 04:08 AM   #41
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Wink Thats embarrasing

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Having been approached by several scams that directly originated or
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in internet talk amongst the car groups I buy and sell with.

I am American, I do not reflect, only accept the stereotype that other cultures have labeled me !

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I agree with you!

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I knew I'd get some responses to my comment

I seriously don't get the point of taking a perfectly engineered sports coupe, complete with CF roof, and then adding 500 lbs and taking away structural rigidity, thus defeating the entire point of the car.

That is why I say you might as well get a 335i convertible (and if you want more power, it is easy to come by on that turbo 6). Get it with a body kit to match an M3.

A 4-seater convertible cannot remain rigid enough to take advantage of a stiff suspension that comes on an M3, and the additional weight will slow it down significantly.

If you really want a performance convertible get a car engineered AS a convertible (Boxter S, for example) so it is still stiff, light and agile.

BTW, I will be the one outdriving you, no matter what you drive, at any track you choose. I'll be happy to send you some videos on how to drive.

Your response is that of a . . . poser. So get your $75K M3 Vert, put the top down, put on some shades, and pose away
Well said, and I agree with you, YOU don't get the point. Think it through and consider more of the factors and comments by others on this forum. Do you understand what you are implying by your comments? It seems odd and unusual that someone who is so highly skilled on the track has the need to shout it out. Is one kind of BMW enthusiast "better" than another? I think not! If there was an attempt at friendly humor in your comments, I missed the point.
At any rate, keep driving, smile (!), and respect fellow enthusiasts. Please!
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