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      12-19-2010, 03:58 PM   #23
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Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to stimulate discussion. Nice work and write up.

Porsche seems to be the only sports car manufacture who's actions speak louder than their marketing, at least in the weight department. They dropped 408 lbs on the the new Cayenne Turbo. The seats in the GT3 and Cayman are light because they are not loaded with electronic gizmos. That is because most Poschephiles abhor the comfy adaptive sports seats option due to the weight penalty.

On the other hand, the vast majority of new BMW enthusiasts won't buy an M car that isn't loaded to the gills with heavy comfy options, audio systems and and electronic do dads. And these same "enthusiasts" then complain about wanting BMW to build cars that are lighter and perform better on the track. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way.

It reminds me of complaints about elected officials. We want them to bring the deficit under control but the second they cut one of our entitlements, we throw them out of office.

The simple adage remains true: "you can't have your cake and eat it to."
Great point and great anology ruff. Not following Porsche nearly as closely as BMW I don't know the details of their weight savings achievements. Can you tell us more about what models in the 997 line up (or Boxster, Cayman) have achieved in terms of weight reduction?

The odd thing about weight reduction from Porsche is that for every "real" Porsche "enthusiast" out there, there are 100 dentists, lawyers and wealthy housewives who don't give a damn about handling (or perhaps slightly more accurate - handling anywhere close to a the car's limits).

I think the new 1M shows that BMW is willing to get back to roots a bit. Sure the car is not an E30 M3 but it is fairly spartan compared to a loaded M3. And, as I've mentioned, it is lighter than the 135i.
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Swamp, you went to a lot of trouble, but it was interesting reading.

It's probably fair to say that I too am skeptical that a non-S motor will be used. If that is the end result, M Division has deteriorated more and faster than I ever would have imagined possible. However, it is possible and we'll know sooner or later.

I'll throw the following out there for you and everyone who wishes to chew on.

The approach that I took was from a historical-generational-performance improvement over previous generation M3's.

NOTE: Weights and horsepower output numbers are those peculiar to the first motor offered within each generation.


E30 M3: 1,202 kg/220 hp = 5.46 kg/hp

E36 M3: 1,461 kg/286 hp = 5.11 kg/hp

Wt:HP ratio 5.11/5.46 = 0.94 (or a 6% decrease in the wt:hp ratio in the E36 in relation to the E30)
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E46 M3: 1,571 kg/343 hp = 4.58 kg/hp

Wt:HP ratio 4.58/5.11 = 0.90 (or a 10% decrease in the wt:hp ratio in the E46 in relation to the E36)
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E92 M3: 3.8 kg * 420 hp = 1,596 kg (Wt/hp source: Official BMW M3 International Launch information (Please see attachment page 17). Yes, the official “unladen” weight is 3704 or 1,683 kg which doesn’t quite mesh with the equally “official” 3.8kg-to-1hp. )

Wt:HP ratio 3.8 kg/4.58 kg = 0.83 (or a 17% decrease in the wt:hp ratio of E92 in relation to the E46)

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Over four generations the weight-to-horsepower ratio has been reduced by 6%, 10%, and 17% while horsepower has increased by 30%, 20%, and 22%. At the same time, weight has increased by 22%, 8%, and 2%.

It is probably a safe bet that the next generation M3 will follow tradition by being a better performer than the previous generation. Not knowing the extent to which performance improvement is targeted poses the greatest obstacle to getting a handle on this "puzzle". To wit: Will the next generation attempt to match the massive performance increase over a previous generation as was achieved with the E92M3 or will the performance increase be more akin to that of the E36M3 vis a vis the E30M3?

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In order improve the kg/wt ratio of the 5th generation M3 at what would be a historical average – (6%+10%+17%) / 3 = 7.67%) – such would be achieved by increasing horsepower to 455 with no weight increase whatsoever would result in a “new” kg:hp ratio would be 3.51kg/hp.

If weight does increase as many suspect that it will, including myself, and let’s suppose the increase is a mere 25kg, an additional 17 horsepower would be needed to offset the weight increase while retaining a 7.67% decrease in weight to horsepower that results in the improved 3.51kg/hp.

On the other hand, if the design team of the next generation M3 targeted a replication of what was achieved with the E92 versus the E46 – a combination of minimal weight increase and massive power increase – the next generation would gain approximately 30 kg to weigh in at 1,628 kg (+2%) while power would increase by 92hp to 512hp (+22%), and that translates into a 3.18 kg/hp ratio.

Yeah, I don’t think that that’s going to happen either, but if it did, a lot of people would be signing up for a ride that would have little to fear from anything on the road. In the meantime, we have among us the E92M3 model which is the gold standard for performance advancement over previous generations. Matching its improvement specs would be something special, topping that set of improvement specs would make for a phenomenal fifth generation M3, IMHO of course.
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I understand why many are upset about the lack of another high rpm na engine from th M division, but will say that the idea of a turbo the way it has been described sounds very very appealing. BMW does build some of the very best engines and I am sure this one will not disappoint.

My best guess as to power, weight and price are basically in line with many of the aforementioned opinions: 3550-3600, 450-460 hp, 425-450 lb/ft of torque maintaining 90% of that between 1800 and 4500 rpms, w/over-boost achieving 460-480 for ten 10 seconds and a well optioned w/DCT price of $86,000-$90,000.

I don't see any major weight loss, however, a modest reduction coupled with the added ponies, impressive torque band and improved fuel economy will make a nice package. It is as with any car of this caliber the sum of all of its parts.

Even Porsche is moving in that direction, with a speculated 100 lb weight loss from the Carrera, a few more ponies -likely 410-415. As well as a longer wheelbase with less overhang and moving the engine a few inches forward.

You're right Ruff, although the A.S.S. (Adaptive Sport Seats) are very comfy they weigh in at roughly 47 lbs more than my comfy standard sports seats in the 3. The carbons are lighter still (by roughly 26 more lbs.) but a wee more difficult to get in and out and not quite as comfortable. But, yeah, I agree with you, it's the old be careful what you wish for thing.

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SWAMP, great work, always good to participate in great discussions. But as far as I'm concerned, the redline predictions for this car is where my interest ends. At this point, with low-revving engine, and boring turbo characteristics, my bet there will be nothing to separate this car from its competitors.

Might as well buy a GTR or C63 or anything. I'm sorry, but I can't see what is left to keep this car ///M as they have killed its soul. Its all the same now.....

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i dunno about the f32 M3, Im just not a fan of turbos
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Heres what i want:

500hp ttv8, 400+torque

weight to be 3200ish

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btw 86k-90k , ILL DEF SKIP, gets way too expensive for a m3
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btw 86k-90k , ILL DEF SKIP, gets way too expensive for a m3
80k+? That's the words of a madman or someone with a big load of FUD to spread around.

I would bank on a 66k base price +/- $2500.
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Fully loaded I'd say this car will push $82k 100%

My E92 (fully loaded) was $77.8k

Also, I don't see this car having LESS than 480hp. Absolutely no way. HP, Torque, performance, everything will be better. Bottom line.
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I will not pay more then 70 for a 2014 m3, Prices are getting very expensive for a m3.

Most importantly, if the car doesnt have one amazing engine ( i really love v8 now), ill skip.

Guys you can buy a fully loaded 911s (105k) for 80k right now , they offer 25k off.
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I would say the next gen M3's MSRP be right around that mark. 65 or 66k with it fully optioned pushing 78k.
A 65k base price sounds reasonable if has an MT, but some say there won't be an MToffered.

If there's no MT version, I can't imagine BMW not including the only tranny, M-DCT or whatever replaces M-DCT, in the base price since the M3 won't be sold as the only vehicle on the planet which the customer has to opt for a tranny at additional cost to base price. So maybe that ~$3k tranny gets shoved into the base price. Then we're at 68-69k with DCT "standard". Another 10k+of options/packages + TTL could easily see out-the-door price in the $80-$85k range for the coupe; nevermind the vert. Regardless, a base price increase that's close to the percentage increase of the E92 vs the E46 is too be expected, IMO, maybe more.
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Swamp, the 1M is still pretty heavy. It weights in at 3200 pounds. It still isn't proving that BMW is going back to their roots, they only got rid of about 200 pounds I think. It's still 400 pounds heavier then a Cayman S with no options. A very well optioned Cayman S will only weight about give or take ~3000 pounds.
While I agree that BMW needs to watch the weight of their cars, I don't think it is fair to compare the weight of a dedicated 2 seater sports car to an entry level luxury coupe.
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You expect this to be ~3500lbs?

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That's an old F10 5-series test mule.

The next generation M3 has not yet been spotted.


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You expect this to be ~3500lbs?

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BMW does build some of the very best engines and I am sure this one will not disappoint.
That's not the point. I prefer the best NA engine over the best turbo engine.
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Swamp, the 1M is still pretty heavy. It weights in at 3200 pounds. It still isn't proving that BMW is going back to their roots, they only got rid of about 200 pounds I think.
Sure it is not a light car by most definitions. However, with the limited colors, limited options, 6MT only and reduced weight compared to the regular series car, those are all very much a back to M roots type of approach. They did not have much time to work on the car. It has been given little development effort. As such its a good achievement and is making a lot of folks on the enthusiast end of the spectrum happy.

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You expect this to be ~3500lbs?
Even if that was an F30 spy pic it wouldn't be a fair comparison. Ever heard of perspective? According to what I've seen the new car is very slightly longer and slightly taller. Most if its growth is in its width and wheelbase. And again for the 2nd time, the rumored weight for the base model F3X 3er is LESS than the existing 328i. That is a good sign for sure. The M3 will benefit from the weight reduction efforts for the base model and then again from the work by the M division.
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Swamp, you went to a lot of trouble, but it was interesting reading.
Most of the effort was just digging around for measurements and weight values for the new base 3er. After that not much work really.

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E30 M3: 1,202 kg/220 hp = 5.46 hp/kg

E36 M3: 1,461 kg/286 hp = 5.11 hp/kg

Wt:HP ratio 5.11/5.46 = 0.94 (or a 6% decrease in the wt:hp ratio in the E36 in relation to the E30)
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E46 M3: 1,571 kg/343 hp = 4.58 hp/kg

Wt:HP ratio 4.58/5.11 = 0.90 (or a 10% decrease in the wt:hp ratio in the E46 in relation to the E36)
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E92 M3: 3.8 kg * 420 hp = 1,596 kg (Wt/hp source: Official BMW M3 International Launch information (Please see attachment page 17). Yes, the official “unladen” weight is 3704 or 1,683 kg which doesn’t quite mesh with the equally “official” 3.8kg-to-1hp. )

Wt:HP ratio 3.8 kg/4.58 kg = 0.83 (or a 17% decrease in the wt:hp ratio of E92 in relation to the E46)

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Over four generations the weight-to-horsepower ratio has been reduced by 6%, 10%, and 17% while horsepower has increased by 30%, 20%, and 22%. At the same time, weight has increased by 22%, 8%, and 2%.

It is probably a safe bet that the next generation M3 will follow tradition by being a better performer than the previous generation. Not knowing the extent to which performance improvement is targeted poses the greatest obstacle to getting a handle on this "puzzle". To wit: Will the next generation attempt to match the massive performance increase over a previous generation as was achieved with the E92M3 or will the performance increase be more akin to that of the E36M3 vis a vis the E30M3?

Scenarios

In order improve the kg/wt ratio of the 5th generation M3 at what would be a historical average – (6%+10%+17%) / 3 = 7.67%) – such would be achieved by increasing horsepower to 455 with no weight increase whatsoever would result in a “new” kg:hp ratio would be 3.51kg/hp.

If weight does increase as many suspect that it will, including myself, and let’s suppose the increase is a mere 25kg, an additional 17 horsepower would be needed to offset the weight increase while retaining a 7.67% decrease in weight to horsepower that results in the improved 3.51kg/hp.

On the other hand, if the design team of the next generation M3 targeted a replication of what was achieved with the E92 versus the E46 – a combination of minimal weight increase and massive power increase – the next generation would gain approximately 30 kg to weigh in at 1,628 kg (+2%) while power would increase by 92hp to 512hp (+22%), and that translates into a 3.18 kg/hp ratio.
Good analysis of the numbers. Many car manufacturers have claimed that this recent hp war is over. Even folks like Ferrari are working on equal power or slight power gains along with weight loss (although the 458 sure did not follow this stated path...). Your power and weight figures show both some of the hp war as well as the bulging trend and then also the slowing of the bulging, with perhaps even a reversal in sight.

Your last scenario, along with most of the other unrealistically optimistic estimates or hopes posted here in this thread are really that. They are simply unrealistic based on insuring the next M3 keeps its place in the BMW M line up, just below the M5.
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I don't think anybody doubts that the next-Gen M3 will out-perform current-Gen M3. The question is, do all of us want 6cyl-TT? And, will we be happy w/ the new styling? If the latest 5- and 7-series' designs are any indications, some of us won't be happy with it. As it is, you can't quickly tell if a current bimmer is a 5- or a 7-series; and, will that extend to the next 3-series?? Do all of us buy the cars we buy simply for performance only?
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But as far as I'm concerned, the redline predictions for this car is where my interest ends. At this point, with low-revving engine, and boring turbo characteristics, my bet there will be nothing to separate this car from its competitors.

Might as well buy a GTR or C63 or anything. I'm sorry, but I can't see what is left to keep this car ///M as they have killed its soul. Its all the same now....
Wow, you really have lost faith. Which modern turbo cars have you driven? Folks are succeeding pretty well in drastic reductions in turbo lag. I might be going out on a limb, but when the car is released and the performance is well known, I suspect you (like 80% of those now disappointed) will be lusting after it. The pattern of M naysayers who convert to current generation owners or droolers is quite well established. Its been happening since the release of the E36 M3.

Now all that being said, if you want an all out track car (or simply the engine experience of such a car) NA is the way to go and the S65 is a real gem. Just to be clear I'm certainly not implying here that the E9X M3 is an all out track car at all.
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E30 M3: 1,202 kg/220 hp = 5.46 hp/kg

E36 M3: 1,461 kg/286 hp = 5.11 hp/kg

Wt:HP ratio 5.11/5.46 = 0.94 (or a 6% decrease in the wt:hp ratio in the E36 in relation to the E30)
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E46 M3: 1,571 kg/343 hp = 4.58 hp/kg

Wt:HP ratio 4.58/5.11 = 0.90 (or a 10% decrease in the wt:hp ratio in the E46 in relation to the E36)
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E92 M3: 3.8 kg * 420 hp = 1,596 kg (Wt/hp source: Official BMW M3 International Launch information (Please see attachment page 17). Yes, the official “unladen” weight is 3704 or 1,683 kg which doesn’t quite mesh with the equally “official” 3.8kg-to-1hp. )

Wt:HP ratio 3.8 kg/4.58 kg = 0.83 (or a 17% decrease in the wt:hp ratio of E92 in relation to the E46)

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Over four generations the weight-to-horsepower ratio has been reduced by 6%, 10%, and 17% while horsepower has increased by 30%, 20%, and 22%. At the same time, weight has increased by 22%, 8%, and 2%.

I'm sorry buy your weight figures are way off. Therefore your power to weight ratios are also way off.


DIN curb weight (preliminary as they call it):

E30 M3 at 1,225 kg = 2,701 lbs

E36 M3 at 1,385 kg = 3,053 lbs

E46 M3 at 1,474 kg = 3,250 lbs

E82 1M at 1,495 kg = 3,296 lbs

E92 M3 at 1,605 kg = 3,538 lbs


EU standard weight:

E30 M3 at 1,300 kg = 2,865 lbs

E36 M3 at 1,460 kg = 3,219 lbs

E46 M3 at 1,549 kg = 3,415 lbs

E82 1M at 1,570 kg = 3,461 lbs

E92 M3 at 1,680 kg = 3,704 lbs


EU is DIN + 68kg driver and 7kg luggage.
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You can say bye bye to NA for a vvverrryyyy lloonnggg time.

I'm glad I picked up the latest gen Cayman. Next gen will be going turbo, and moving up market.
Oh yeah... that's why I'm getting an M3 now... and I don't see myself selling this car, or trading for another newer generation M car...
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I'm sorry buy your weight figures are way off. Therefore your power to weight ratios are also way off.

DIN curb weight (preliminary as they call it):

E92 M3 at 1,605 kg = 3,538 lbs
The above assumes the quoted weights are in fact correct... but I'm curious if anyone has scaled or corner weighted a stock car this low? That's supposed to be a full fuel weight...
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