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      08-16-2010, 03:13 PM   #111
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I know from personal experience that the dealer can pull data from your car regardless of using your key FOB. I have comfort access and I never inserted the key. That did not prevent them from finding that I had overrev'ed three times before 2500 miles. Luckily they were cool and I wound up being able to get a new 2008 (I then wound up moving into a 2009 but that is a long story).
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      08-16-2010, 03:18 PM   #112
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I know from personal experience that the dealer can pull data from your car regardless of using your key FOB. I have comfort access and I never inserted the key. That did not prevent them from finding that I had overrev'ed three times before 2500 miles. Luckily they were cool and I wound up being able to get a new 2008 (I then wound up moving into a 2009 but that is a long story).

LIAR... LIAR .... LIAR!!! lol

Just wanted to say that before Flyboy showed up.
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I know from personal experience that the dealer can pull data from your car regardless of using your key FOB. I have comfort access and I never inserted the key. That did not prevent them from finding that I had overrev'ed three times before 2500 miles. Luckily they were cool and I wound up being able to get a new 2008 (I then wound up moving into a 2009 but that is a long story).
No doubts about that. However, this thread has been jacked by trill335 claiming that historical data is never transferred to the FOB even after it is plugged in, either by the dealer or the driver. M3Fool gave him a current example but no luck. He is convinced not to be convinced.

I'm trying to figure out why he is so damn angry.
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      08-16-2010, 03:24 PM   #114
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LIAR... LIAR .... LIAR!!! lol

Just wanted to say that before Flyboy showed up.


I suspect that shortly this thread wil be placed on lockdown.
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      08-16-2010, 03:26 PM   #115
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I suspect that shortly this thread wil be placed on lockdown.

We could only hope...
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      08-16-2010, 03:27 PM   #116
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Yes, Fool was and he is incorrect.
Can you show me where M3Fool said that the info would be there even if the key is not put in the slot? I can't find it.
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      08-16-2010, 03:32 PM   #117
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Can you show me where M3Fool said that the info would be there even if the key is not put in the slot? I can't find it.

Because I did not say it.............. I think I am going to go eat a big bowl of stupid real quick so I can see the thread from his point of view.
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      08-16-2010, 04:24 PM   #118
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When I went and dropped off my car this morning the dealership they were able to get the mileage off my key. I have comfort access and I never inserted the key in the slot before taking it in.
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      08-16-2010, 05:22 PM   #119
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I just had a new gearbox put in my '07 car after 21k km. No break instructions although I have to go in for transmission oil change after 2k km.

The break-in is mainly for the engine because BMW use a Castrol mineral oil for breaking in an engine. I don't know whether the same applies to the transmission - diff and gearbox.

I'll rather be safe than sorry. I've followed the break-in instructions although I did go over 5500 rpm a couple of times.

I also think it's about putting hot spots on the engine components especially with the type of oil BMW use for the first 2k km and the viscosity of this oil.

My 2c.
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      08-17-2010, 02:19 AM   #120
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What the hell does opening the doors have to do with the car logging current data? You dolts really are stupid! No current data will be logged on the key if you do not place it into the slot when driving. The data will be from your previous trips... search "Key Reader" and then get back at me... pretty simple no?
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      08-21-2010, 02:29 PM   #121
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I wrapped my SPARE keyfob (never used before) in bubble wrap and masking tape so bodyshop and dealer wouldn't damage the key, and SA thought reader wouldn't pick up data since key couldn't be 'inserted', but it did. I also told him if he wanted the exact mileage in case it wasn't updated, but the figure he told me was exactly the current mileage. He told me 'information is current; don't worry'. Receipt had current mileage and info. They don't call it 'smart key' for nothing . Also remember there're no physical contacts on the key, so if data can be transmitted inductively, it can also be transmitted wirelessly.

Better stop the mudslinging or thread will be closed . Good day gang.
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      10-06-2010, 10:46 AM   #122
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If it really mattered BMW could have set the rev limit to 5500 and the speed limit to 105. It would be no more difficult for them than it is for you to turn on a light switch...
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      10-06-2010, 11:52 AM   #123
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If it really mattered BMW could have set the rev limit to 5500 and the speed limit to 105.
I'm sure there are liability concerns that prevent this. The fact that the car does not limit these things is not a good indicator of whether the break in procedure is really necessary.

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Any feature, no matter how small, has an associated cost. Even without considering they liability above, its hardly just a matter of flipping a switch.
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      10-06-2010, 12:30 PM   #124
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What liability? There are many cars that can't rev to 5500 rpm or exceed 105mph, ever. There is no more liability than the variable redline we get on our cars cold.
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      10-06-2010, 12:46 PM   #125
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What liability? There are many cars that can't rev to 5500 rpm or exceed 105mph, ever.
And those cars are advertised as such.

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Neither of us know for sure. All we can do is speculate. There is a scale involved here. Allowing the car to rev too high when cold was probably considered more of a risk than not doing so. And in fact, every engineering and marketing decision has a monetary risk involved, so they probably ran through the math and what we are left with is the final product. This is how product design works.

I'll maintain that simply saying "they dont prevent this, so it must be ok" isn't a demonstrating good deductive reasoning at all. I'm sure you are going to continue to disagree, so I'll guess we just have to agree to have our own opinions and leave it at that.
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      10-06-2010, 02:04 PM   #126
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One thing I'm pretty sure I am not imagining is this...

Pre-1,200 miles the shift lights start popping at about 5.5k-6k rpm

Post-1,200 miles the shift light start popping at about 7-7.5k rpm
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      11-28-2010, 03:32 PM   #127
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Maybe this has been asked in the past, but If i can get a detailed explanation of the consequences of an improperly broken in car that would be great. That is to say, what happens if someone doesn't follow the 1200 mile break in period? What happens if they don't break in the 3100 mile process properly? I bought the car used, and it is in mint condition as far as I can tell. The car had about 2400 miles on it, and according to a service guy, who bye the way compared car service records to medical records, the 1200 mile service was done on time, and the battery was changed recently (Didn't make extreme sense, but maybe someone was careless and left a light on). I couldn't get them to release the service records to me, but maybe if I talk to a local service agent I can get them. Anyway, back to the question, what are the consequences of a improperly "broke in" M?
I dunno man, if you're (or anyone) concerned about whether your engine is "okay" (I know, how much more subjective could that be...), take it to a performance shop and have it dynoed to see what kind of numbers is puts down. Also monitoring oil consumption can give you an idea of how solid an engine is, but this is somewhat dependent on how you drive the car also. An engine that see's lots of high rpm driving is naturally going to burn a little more. If an engine burned a lot of oil under mostly normal/lightly spirited driving I'd be a little concerned. Or have an oil analysis done. Eventually you'll have an idea as to what the engine is doing.

I think some people go a little crazy over this for no reason. No two engines are 100% identical due to mfg tolerances and run-in procedure, but we're not talking wild, huge differences anymore...much more precise mfg tolerances in modern engines sees to that. My personal stance is to make sure the engine is warmed up before digging into the throttle any more than necessary to keep the car moving, but after that I never feel guilty about putting the hammer down a little bit even from mile 0. Lots of people do this and report trouble free, solid engines well into the car's life (anecdotally of course).

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      12-10-2010, 02:00 PM   #128
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I'm at around 600+ miles in my break-in period. My dealer mentioned to me that my 2011 M3's engine is limited to 5500 RPM as a forced precaution from factory... and that once I get my 1200-mile service, they'll unlock the car's capabilities.

That hasn't proven to be true as my car has gone as high as 6500 RPM (in an accidental 1/2-second moment of downshifting too quickly at a high speed).

Was he referring to a limited SUSTAINED RPM of 5500 or what? I certainly don't want to mess with it, but I'd like to know the facts on this.

On top of that, my M3 continues to alert me that I need service even though I'm only half-way there. My dealer says to ignore it as 1,200 miles is the golden number. Okay... so I ignore the alerts
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Simple explanation: he's wrong. You aren't the first by any means though. A lot of people have been told this, but it is simply the typical phenomena where the poorly educated dealership employees are spewing crap.

The recommendation is to not exceed 5500RPM until after the 1200 mile service. But there is nothing that prevents you from doing so other than some self control and a gentle foot.

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That hasn't proven to be true as my car has gone as high as 6500 RPM (in an accidental 1/2-second moment of downshifting too quickly at a high speed).
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That's what I suspected. I'll just be careful and not rely on any other limiter than my foot.

By the way, how do you interpret "keeping it under 5500 RPM"? Are momentary bursts past that okay or is it all taboo?

I've read that it is sustained RPM past 5500 that is the forbidden fruit.

(Please forgive my desperate cry for revs.)
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      12-11-2010, 02:54 PM   #131
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Honestly... Before 500 miles on this car I popped my tach up to 6k a few times and I'm not worried at all. Do consider though, that the car was completely warmed up and I gradually kept building rpms at about 1/4 throttle. I was easy on her till 1201 miles - 4k miles. I went easy on her again because for some reason every time I drive my car hard I just want to get MORE and MORE mods. Christmas is leaving me poor. So I must ease off the throttle
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My dealer mentioned to me that my 2011 M3's engine is limited to 5500 RPM as a forced precaution from factory...
He's dead wrong. The salesman drove the M3 I test-drove with 10 miles on the odo MUCH harder than I have ever driven mine, and it has 6K miles. And the guy after me kept bouncing the limiter too. I was the only one who drove it respectfully, even though everybody else was abusing the crap out of it. I personally don't believe anything bad will happen if you don't stick 100% to the break-in recommendations, like an ocassional run to pass a semi or something, but NEVER redline a brand new engine incessantly. And yes, that's why I never buy a demo car .
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