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      10-23-2010, 03:53 PM   #1
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Beast... super fast c63 vs m3 vs Carrera S vs R8

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C63 is almost the fastest in all range. its faster in 0-160 and 0-200 then a Porsche and R8. i believe the lap time of m3 will be the 1st or 2nd place between those cars
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With DCT the M3 is on par in straight line speed with a stock C63 all the way to VMAX - and not from magazine times but from personal experience on the autobahn a few weeks ago.......there was nothing in it at all in it.

Of course the C63 can be tuned very cheaply and then we are talking a different outcome - if straight line speed is your main priority.
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Having driven all of these cars, and taking the printed numbers with a grain of salt, I would say the R8 & M3 would lap a fraction faster than the C63. The C63 has a nice suspension but not quite the same as the others. Straight line the car is a beast! Auto is quick and pulls like a train.
I would have probably bought a C63 when I was shopping and chose the "IS" if it wasn't for the ugly interior and plain Jane exterior.
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M3 for sure over the c63 - check youtube, lots of credible comparisons were done by various automotive shows / journalists.
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the 5.2 isnt whats being compared. obviously that would destroy the rest on a track.
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was up against a modified r8 last weekend (twin turbo v8 650 bhp) and just had no answer on the straights but did well in the corners, neither one of us great drivers but that r8 is one helluva car, actually enjoyed watching it pass me, gorgeous car! (but then threw the car seats in the back and remembered why i bot the M, duality)
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different horses for different courses...
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With DCT the M3 is on par in straight line speed with a stock C63 all the way to VMAX - and not from magazine times but from personal experience on the autobahn a few weeks ago.......there was nothing in it at all in it.

Of course the C63 can be tuned very cheaply and then we are talking a different outcome - if straight line speed is your main priority.
Shocking...I ran a DCT M3 when my car was stock 3 times. All 3 runs resulted 2 CL advantage for the C63 from 35 MPH rolls till 135 MPH. If on par means runs closer then the 6MT I agree. But to say it runs equal to it is simply not true.
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Shocking...I ran a DCT M3 when my car was stock 3 times. All 3 runs resulted 2 CL advantage for the C63 from 35 MPH rolls till 135 MPH. If on par means runs closer then the 6MT I agree. But to say it runs equal to it is simply not true.
From experience I beg to differ - ran a 2009 C63 AMG (im a 2011 e92 m3 DCT zcp) from a 30-150 and from 50-150 and both times we were dead even. From the 50 roll I jumped out a 1/2 car (I started in 2nd gear at around 6000 rpm-ish) then he wound up reeling me in and when we let off we were dead even. From the 30 he immediately pulled a 1/2 car and I reeled him in slowly and we wound up even.

somewhat like this race :


(yet again, my car could be a freak because I keep up with heavily modded N54's that "should" trounce on M3's) Heres a video of me vs a fully modded 135:
(essentially even from a 50-130)
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From experience I beg to differ - ran a 2009 C63 AMG (im a 2011 e92 m3 DCT zcp) from a 30-150 and from 50-150 and both times we were dead even. From the 50 roll I jumped out a 1/2 car (I started in 2nd gear at around 6000 rpm-ish) then he wound up reeling me in and when we let off we were dead even. From the 30 he immediately pulled a 1/2 car and I reeled him in slowly and we wound up even.

somewhat like this race :


(yet again, my car could be a freak because I keep up with heavily modded N54's that "should" trounce on M3's) Heres a video of me vs a fully modded 135:
(essentially even from a 50-130)
Well to each his own obviously our stories are different. Would be interesting to know how the driver of the C63 was setting up for the runs. If you simply put the trans in "sport" mode and mash the gas you will fall behind as you lose time for the car to down shift. Also this method doesn't give you the most aggressive gear. Meaning you will be going from gear 7 to gear 4 instead of 3rd or 2nd. When I do any runs I place the car in sport mode and manually down shift to the lowest gear possible usually 2nd gear around 5K RPM. That way when you hit the throttle the car launches forward and shift right into 3rd gear at red line with no lag. Shifting in manual mode would be a disaster because of the lag in shift time as the 7G tranny in no way could shift like the DCT.

I saw your run with the 135i but I'm kinda curious. You say the run is from 50-130MPH but it's clear at the 0:02 mark you guys get on the throttle and at the 0:08 mark you guys brake. Considering all of the V-Box statistics I can't imagine any stock M3 getting anywhere close to a 6 second 60-130 mark.
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      10-24-2010, 11:08 PM   #12
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Yeah i see what your saying with the whole "sport" mode - I have a ML63 and I experience this SAME thing - the lag time is RIDICULOUS (you touch the paddle at 5k and it shifts at 7 LOL). And there really is a drastic difference between sport and comfort, despite many people'es preconcieved notion that its relatively the same.

Me and the 135 did a couple runs that night, and yeah (correction on my part) that video probably stopped at around 110 or so but in others (I have on my computer, have yet to upload) we went up to 130.

Coming from a fully-modded 335 Ive RAPED S65 M3's (badly), which is why I was VERY surprised when I was able to hang. Ive really started thinking my car is a factory freak, I have no reason to lie about the C63 encounter (hes my boy, and I know he was in sport etc...) - who knows, but from my experience at least MY m3 dct has been dead even with a stock C63.

This makes me want to run another stock m3dct or m3 6MT...
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Well to each his own obviously our stories are different. Would be interesting to know how the driver of the C63 was setting up for the runs. If you simply put the trans in "sport" mode and mash the gas you will fall behind as you lose time for the car to down shift. Also this method doesn't give you the most aggressive gear. Meaning you will be going from gear 7 to gear 4 instead of 3rd or 2nd. When I do any runs I place the car in sport mode and manually down shift to the lowest gear possible usually 2nd gear around 5K RPM. That way when you hit the throttle the car launches forward and shift right into 3rd gear at red line with no lag. Shifting in manual mode would be a disaster because of the lag in shift time as the 7G tranny in no way could shift like the DCT.
I thought the autobox on the C63 was pretty well set up. I test drove a friend's C63 at the skidpan and the shifts gives a sporty feeling.

Unlike the normal sedate ATs, in the C63, every upshifts you can feel this power surge which some people dislike, but I actually thought pretty much replicates the DCT S6 sensation.
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Shocking...I ran a DCT M3 when my car was stock 3 times. All 3 runs resulted 2 CL advantage for the C63 from 35 MPH rolls till 135 MPH. If on par means runs closer then the 6MT I agree. But to say it runs equal to it is simply not true.
Shocking???????? I have no need or desire to make up stories on an internet forum. My M3 DCT and that C63 were even upto V MAX on the autobahn- FACT. I couldnt care less what you think but by writing 'shocking' you seem to be insinuating that i am a liar...........not cool
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Yeah i see what your saying with the whole "sport" mode - I have a ML63 and I experience this SAME thing - the lag time is RIDICULOUS (you touch the paddle at 5k and it shifts at 7 LOL). And there really is a drastic difference between sport and comfort, despite many people'es preconcieved notion that its relatively the same.

Me and the 135 did a couple runs that night, and yeah (correction on my part) that video probably stopped at around 110 or so but in others (I have on my computer, have yet to upload) we went up to 130.

Coming from a fully-modded 335 Ive RAPED S65 M3's (badly), which is why I was VERY surprised when I was able to hang. Ive really started thinking my car is a factory freak, I have no reason to lie about the C63 encounter (hes my boy, and I know he was in sport etc...) - who knows, but from my experience at least MY m3 dct has been dead even with a stock C63.

This makes me want to run another stock m3dct or m3 6MT...
Even though it's just an automatic there is a few tricks like I mentioned when you have these close encounters in Mexico.

I'm not accusing you of being a lair, however as you know the internet is full on inconsistency. For instance our stories are completely different. Oh well.

My car no longer stock and is now modified, so with that I have entered a totally different argument. I think any stock VS modded argument is completely ridiculous regardless the brand. Also since this isn't So Cal I think the chances of me coming across a SC E9X M3 are rather slim to none.
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I thought the autobox on the C63 was pretty well set up. I test drove a friend's C63 at the skidpan and the shifts gives a sporty feeling.

Unlike the normal sedate ATs, in the C63, every upshifts you can feel this power surge which some people dislike, but I actually thought pretty much replicates the DCT S6 sensation.
Since this is my first AMG (again former E46 M3 owner) after reading through the MB forums I discovered how most guys were setting the trans for these "high speed Mexico" encounters. Again, if you just mash the pedal in sport mode you will have to wait for the trans to down shift to a low gear (not necessarily the lowest and most ideal) especially when your ready to run.

From my previous po,st placing the car in sport mode then downshifting to the lowest gear possible is the best scenario to launch these cars.
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Shocking???????? I have no need or desire to make up stories on an internet forum. My M3 DCT and that C63 were even upto V MAX on the autobahn- FACT. I couldnt care less what you think but by writing 'shocking' you seem to be insinuating that i am a liar...........not cool
Thanks for your response. If you read my posts in this thread maybe you wont react like you did. If I was calling you a liar I would have no issues doing so. Come on now.
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Shocking...I ran a DCT M3 when my car was stock 3 times. All 3 runs resulted 2 CL advantage for the C63 from 35 MPH rolls till 135 MPH. If on par means runs closer then the 6MT I agree. But to say it runs equal to it is simply not true.
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Thanks for your response. If you read my posts in this thread maybe you wont react like you did. If I was calling you a liar I would have no issues doing so. Come on now.
If you had worded your post differently and just stated that your experience against an M3 DCT resulted in a different result to my experience with the C63 i would have had no problem at all - different cars, conditions and drivers are all factors but by starting your post in reponse to mine with the word 'shocking' and by saying ' to say it runs equal is simply not true' is however you look at it saying that i am (a). Wrong (b). Making the story up which is not the case. You all but called me a liar.
As a caveat my run against the C63 was on the autobahn upto 170mph (VMAX as stated ) from around 80mph or so. The M3 is in its element at these higher speeds so this could have been a factor as well. To assume that your 35mph - 135mph run is definative and to dismiss everyone elses experience is naive - these cars are very close (in a straight line) and different scenarios, cars and drivers will inevitably give different results.
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Since this is my first AMG (again former E46 M3 owner) after reading through the MB forums I discovered how most guys were setting the trans for these "high speed Mexico" encounters. Again, if you just mash the pedal in sport mode you will have to wait for the trans to down shift to a low gear (not necessarily the lowest and most ideal) especially when your ready to run.

From my previous po,st placing the car in sport mode then downshifting to the lowest gear possible is the best scenario to launch these cars.
Yes I got that. You mentioned that in your original post.

As I was saying, the shifting sensations from my test drive of the C63 gives a sporty feeling like none other ATs. I like it.

I'm not refuting what you said about the need to downshift first rather than relying on kickdown function.
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If you had worded your post differently and just stated that your experience against an M3 DCT resulted in a different result to my experience with the C63 i would have had no problem at all - different cars, conditions and drivers are all factors but by starting your post in reponse to mine with the word 'shocking' and by saying ' to say it runs equal is simply not true' is however you look at it saying that i am (a). Wrong (b). Making the story up which is not the case. You all but called me a liar.
As a caveat my run against the C63 was on the autobahn upto 170mph (VMAX as stated ) from around 80mph or so. The M3 is in its element at these higher speeds so this could have been a factor as well. To assume that your 35mph - 135mph run is definative and to dismiss everyone elses experience is naive - these cars are very close (in a straight line) and different scenarios, cars and drivers will inevitably give different results.
I dont understand why you are arguing LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR YOUR STOCK M3 DCT IS NOT AND WILL NEVER ever ever ever BE FASTER OR STAY DEAD EVEN WITH A STOCK C63 in straight line at any speed, or gear or little trick that may do with it. JUST face it is OK bro...
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I dont understand why you are arguing LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR YOUR STOCK M3 DCT IS NOT AND WILL NEVER ever ever ever BE FASTER OR STAY DEAD EVEN WITH A STOCK C63 in straight line at any speed, or gear or little trick that may do with it. JUST face it is OK bro...
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