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      10-21-2010, 03:03 PM   #23
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I would pimp an m3 wagon for sure...

I despise the 5er GT so much though, that if they name it GT, I probably wouldn't consider it.

I have a wagon fetish...
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i honestly dont see why BMW adding a few more models to their line up is so terrible. so what if they are trying to cover all bases and make cars that appeal to everyone. you have the option to pick the one that best suits you, no one is forcing you to buy any of the other models...
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Build a true m3 wagon and the traditional m3 sedan. Problem solved.
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Dude, there's a reason why the RS4 Avant wasn't sold here...no one would buy one.

I have to say the Audi wagons look much better than BMW wagons in the past.

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I'd rock one... not that one, but the idea of one makes sense. Probably won't sell very well in the states tho. I love me some Layer Cake.
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      10-21-2010, 03:10 PM   #26
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Not sure why everyone's getting so worked up here. I don't care what they CALL IT... so long as it looks good. And the pictures that Scott has attached look amazing. If the car comes out looking anything like that... then excellent.

Most importantly, for those people who wanted a 4 door next gen M3... here it is. Now that contingent finally has an option. 4 door lovers should be pretty happy.
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      10-21-2010, 03:17 PM   #27
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Not sure why everyone's getting so worked up here. I don't care what they CALL IT... so long as it looks good. And the pictures that Scott has attached look amazing. If the car comes out looking anything like that... then excellent.

Most importantly, for those people who wanted a 4 door next gen M3... here it is. Now that contingent finally has an option. 4 door lovers should be pretty happy.
Because the stupid rear roof slope design on BMW gt cars are fuckin ugly, and it means there will be no trunk, just a useless hatchback that you cant fit anything inside.
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no way they will do this......if so...gotta man up and rock an M5
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      10-21-2010, 03:33 PM   #29
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Scott, are you saying that an M3 GT is a good possbility, then? What about an M5 GT as well?

Also, given those artist renderings, it seems to me that the 3 Series GT will end up looking a lot more like a 3 series sedan, but with a hatchback added (and a longer wheelbase, as you had mentioned before). This is a very good thing - much preferred over the rather upright and oddly polarizing looks of the current 5 Series GT.

All of this though, is secondary to what we really want - a 3 series Gran Coupe, and of course an M version to got with it. How are the prospects on these?

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Why not?

The 3er GT will showcase lessons learned with the 5er GT.
3er GT is much lower and sleeker than the 5er GT.

The brief for the 3er follows the same as the 5er GT travelling in style but add the word (fast!) for the 3er.
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      10-21-2010, 03:37 PM   #30
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stop hating

seriously guys, not all of us can get a coupe but still want a high performance car! I have 2 toddlers and for the next 15 years or so will be rocking a 4 door something even with a SUV as a second car. If BMW only made a coupe I would have to stick with Mercedes or go to Audi, so if they do discontinue the sedan I really hope the GT makes it to the US in M form. If it does look like the rendered photos I would buy one for sure! I don't want a wagon, I want a sedan but will take something in between.

And no getting an X3M over a M3 GT is not a good choice, car will not handle the same or be as fast since it will have a ton more weight, and I doubt the X3M will have the same power as the next M3, it will be more like what they are going to do with the new M5 and M6 (555 HP and around 600HP). My guess is the new M3 will be 450 HP and they will tune the X3M to around 400HP.

Heck I might be sporting a X3M and M3 GT if my wife is cool with it
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i'm sure they will loose a lot of their fan base if they went to a M3 GT
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      10-21-2010, 03:41 PM   #32
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Scott's pictures don't look anything like a wagon (or the ugly 5 GT), it looks like a sedan with an even more functional trunk and trunk lid. Looks like a winner to me.
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      10-21-2010, 03:42 PM   #33
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Let's make it simpler. Same choices in three different sizes, plus the 7 series in sedan only.

1 Series (sedan, wagon or 5 dr hatch, hatch, coupe, convertible) , 1(2?) Series GT, 1 Series Gran Coupe, X1, X2, Z2

3 Series (sedan, wagon, coupe, convertible), 3 Series GT, 3(4?) Series Gran Coupe, X3, X4, Z4

5 Series (sedan, wagon), 6 Series (coupe, convertible), 5 Series GT, 6 Series Gran Coupe, X5, X6, Z6

7 Series sedan

1M, 1M GT, 1M Gran Coupe, X1/X2 M
M3, M3 GT, M3 Gran Coupe, X3/X4 M
M5/M6, M5 GT, M6 Gran Coupe, X5/X6 M

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My question is why does BMW want so badly to become the "We Fit Everywhere" OMG

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3 Series
M3
X3
X4
5 Series
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M5
X5
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6 Series
M6
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7 Series

How many have I missed? Let's add more!?

0 Series
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X4


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      10-21-2010, 03:55 PM   #34
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I saw no 5GT in canada, just one at the dealership and it's still there
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The 5GT has been a failure.

There's no way this happens.
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i'm sure they will loose a lot of their fan base if they went to a M3 GT
Did they lose a lot of fan base with the X5M and X6M? a lot of people said they are pointless, but no one stopped liking BMW M division because of it.

But remember all car companies are businesses and they look at every decision that way, the M3 sedan doesn't sell all that well, but they are having good success with the X6 and 5 GT, they probably don't want a M3 Sedan and GT, so figure just offer the GT. I think anyone buying the sedan will easily switch to the GT, and if you want a coupe why do you care?

And for everyone saying the X6 and 5 GT have failed, based on what??? because you don't see as many of them as you do normal 5 series or 3 series? so have the 7 series and 6 series failed as well? BMW considers both of these a success because they went into production with estimated sales are are passing those numbers, they are making money which means they have not failed.
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yuck no thanks

also why is the new m5 only making 555hp? shouldn't the engine be upped a bit more than current X5M and X6M?
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Scott, are you saying that an M3 GT is a good possbility, then? What about an M5 GT as well?
I would say an M3 GT is a better possibility because of how they have adapted the concept to be sleeker and more sportier than the 5er GT.
5er GT is an alternative to alternatives, it has a strict client base and has what we have found out brought first time BMW Customers to the brand in which many are from design and culture based backgrounds.
Adding a 5er GT might just over saturate the choices in which M5 , M6 and their variants and not forgetting the X-M's.

The M3 sedan came about due to the increase of the M5 and how it opened up the market for the E90 M3 Sedan , it all depends on where the M5 is positioned and whether this justifies a replacement for the sedan.


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Also, given those artist renderings, it seems to me that the 3 Series GT will end up looking a lot more like a 3 series sedan, but with a hatchback added (and a longer wheelbase, as you had mentioned before). This is a very good thing - much preferred over the rather upright and oddly polarizing looks of the current 5 Series GT.
Yes, the 3er GT follows the same form that it looks like a 3er but adds some more elegance to the concept. For example the 3er character line runs diagionally along the car starting shallow at the rear taillight and widening by the time it reaches the front wheel arch. 3er GT uses a high characterline which completely wraps around the car stopping for a slight pause at the front wheelarches but with this wrap around design feature it allows headlights and taillights to sit underneath making them more sleeker and dynamic. The 3erLi which is exclusively for the Chinese market donates its structure allowing BMW to increase the space whilst keeping regular 3er proportions.

5er GT and 3er GT are aimed at two seperate groups of customers , with the 3er we are translating style , elegance and purpose but also with serious driving dynamics.


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All of this though, is secondary to what we really want - a 3 series Gran Coupe, and of course an M version to got with it. How are the prospects on these?
Well the next 3er Coupe follows the initial idea laid out with the design of the E92 in which we took the car away from it's sedan origins.
The new 3er Coupe uses the same idea.
The look will be familiar but there is a hint of 6 in the profile especially how the car sits , it will be very premium looking , headlights , like todays car , utilising the same shape but more angular and pushed in towards the body. The 3er like the 6er will be using the indicators underneath the headlights like the 6, surrounded by a wide grille.

The Cabrio retains the folding hardtop due to the huge popularity of the car , especially in markets like Europe , The US and in the past couple of years China. The Cabrio is a huge seller there , especially popular amongst young females.

But the 3er Coupe does look good with "two extra doors" just like the Gran Coupe 6er and is on the shelf for BMW's strategy for investigating the expansion of the Premium Entry segment?
So watch this space.
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OMG i laugh everytime i see the a5 sportback or whatever they call it and now we are doing the same, with the m3???!!!!!!!! lets hope not
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My question is why does BMW want so badly to become the "We Fit Everywhere" OMG
It's called maintaining a viable business. The key to continued improvement to the bottom line is increasing market share. One way to improve market share is to diversify your product a bit. So, it makes sense that BMW wants a piece of the crossover action. Crossovers are hot. If I were at the helm in Munich, I'd do the same thing.
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The 5GT has been a failure.

There's no way this happens.
BMW views it as a resounding success. Read the article.
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