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      09-16-2010, 09:29 PM   #67
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LOL!

Dirty pool for the win.
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      09-16-2010, 09:30 PM   #68
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      09-16-2010, 09:32 PM   #69
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ISF wins road course but only because of Tanner's skill and cunning.

M3 DCT comes out on top overall. Faster in the straights, faster around the curves, better braking, better balanced.

Good win for BMW.
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      09-16-2010, 09:33 PM   #70
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Impressive showing by the M3.

M3 won all straight line acceleration tests even when Tanner jumped the line, won the 0 - 100 - 0 mph (IS-F gets a better launch, Paul brakes early and won the test) and lost the road course because Foust brake-checked him sending Tracy in M3 into the dirt as Tracy was right behind him.

Most surprising was when Tanner jumped the line in IS-F and M3 still reeled it back in and passed it by 3 car lengths before half a mile. I did not know M3 was that much faster in a straight line.

Overall winner, M3.

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ISF wins road course but only because of Tanner's skill and cunning.
Like I stated above, Tanner brake-checked him sending Tracy into the dirt.
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      09-16-2010, 09:50 PM   #71
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Why are you turning this into an LFA debate??? LFA are sold-out so they have no reason to listen to your price nonsense.

In MotorTrend comparison, watch how fast LFA is pulling away from the GTR once it gets full traction as the spoiler raises up at 50 mph. LFA destroyed the GTR in any 60 + mph acceleration hitting 100 mph more than 0.6 seconds faster. 125 mph in the LFA comes 1.3 seconds faster (AutoZeitung). Even at the 1/4 mile LFA was travelling 5 mph faster in MotorTrend. That is a huge difference. LFA prototype had no launch control so it was bogging badly off the line, which cost it off the line and GTR has an extremely short first gear. Any rolling start race and the LFA is gone.

Around a race track, GTR was of no comparison for the LFA in any test of handling and braking and got killed in the figure-8 lap track test by almost 2 seconds.

Around Goodwood race track, LFA was a full 3 seconds faster on only a 3800 meter track:

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track68.html

Around Nurburgring LFA lapped the same with much inferior and weaker tires (Bridgestone S001) with Horst Von Saurma while Nissan delivered GTR with super-slicks to SportAuto. Usually super-slick tires shave off around 8 - 10 seconds easily:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_auto_(Germany)

The GTR sounds like a hissing vaccum cleaner and weighs nearly 4000 lbs. It uses a cookie-cutter Nissan FM platform that is used even in the FX SUV, uses a turbocharged highly modified version of the VQ engine series. So there are all the cost savings right there.






I was talking rev-limiter. 9500 rpm is the rev cut-off for LFA (redline at 9000 rpm).

Anyway, I just looked at the description of the episode today and it says it will be Ariel Atom versus something else??? They showed the M3 and IS-F teaser at the end of last week's episode. Did they shift the episode to next week??

The GTR platform is not shared with any other Nissan model.
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      09-16-2010, 10:10 PM   #72
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Youtube up yet?
Not yet. If you want to watch it, it will again be telecast tonight. 1:00 ET.

It is funny, one would imagine M3 to be neck and neck in a straight line and win the road course easily.

This test was quite the opposite, M3 was beating the IS-F in a straight line left and right. Both cars looked very closely matched around the race track.
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      09-16-2010, 10:13 PM   #73
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Not yet. If you want to watch it, it will again be telecast tonight. 1:00 ET.

It is funny, you would imagine M3 to be neck and neck in a straight line and win the road course easily.

This test was quite the opposite, M3 was beating the IS-F in a straight line left and right. Both cars looked very closely matched around the race track.
Tanner was the better driver. If you put Tanner in the M3, it would have taken all 4 challenges by bigger margins IMO.
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      09-16-2010, 10:19 PM   #74
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they should have put the m3 sedan up against the is-f to make it comparable.
the M would probably have taken it anyways, but it would have made more sense
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      09-16-2010, 10:21 PM   #75
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Tanner was the better driver. If you put Tanner in the M3, it would have taken all 4 challenges by bigger margins IMO.
Tanner was sandbagging cuz he didn't want the car he owns to look bad. Big conflict of interest in this test....

In all seriousness, this episode shows how silly some of the discussions are. If two professionals were this close driving these cars...in the real world...with amateurs driving them, either car could win by huge margins depending on the driver.
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      09-16-2010, 10:27 PM   #76
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Their lack of controlled and fair testing is laughable. Tanner and Paul's manufactured angst for one another is pretty transparent as well, you know they're having beers when it's all over.

Thought the ISF would at least win one of the straight line tests, and the M3 should have kicked ass in the road course.

Entertaining yes, but by no means an accurate "comparison" of these 2 cars.

M3 FTW however so you know my bias....
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      09-16-2010, 10:31 PM   #77
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they should have put the m3 sedan up against the is-f to make it comparable.
the M would probably have taken it anyways, but it would have made more sense
There is virtually no difference between sedan and coupe in performance, so wouldn't have made any difference on the numbers.
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      09-16-2010, 10:38 PM   #78
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they should have put the m3 sedan up against the is-f to make it comparable.
the M would probably have taken it anyways, but it would have made more sense
Sedan and coupe are identical in performance. Zero differences.



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Tanner was the better driver. If you put Tanner in the M3, it would have taken all 4 challenges by bigger margins IMO.
Tracy is the open wheel professional racer while Foust is the drifter so I would think the other way around. Anyway, seemed like Tracy was completely defensive the whole time while Foust was doing some very positively aggressive driving around the course.


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Thought the ISF would at least win one of the straight line tests, and the M3 should have kicked ass in the road course.

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IS-F did technically win one straight line acceleration. Before Tracy figured out launch control, in the first run he tried to stomp it off the line. He was complaining already that DCT lags for a few split seconds and then revs up and drops the clutch. That resulted in IS-F getting away easily.

In the 0 - 100 - 0 mph, the IS-F got a clean start and won the acceleration part, but M3 braked much shorter winning the test.
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      09-16-2010, 10:46 PM   #79
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that was awesome performance by the BMW. Once again M3 takes another title!
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Watching the show made me realize a few things:

1. I love Melbourne Red + ZCP.
2. I love the M3.
3. I love the M3.
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      09-17-2010, 12:37 AM   #81
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      09-17-2010, 01:25 AM   #82
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let us know if theres a vid
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Anyone know if they race the revised 2011 IS-F?
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      09-17-2010, 06:55 AM   #84
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Anyone know if they race the revised 2011 IS-F?
I believe it was.
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I DVR'd the episode & will watch it tonight. So, it looks like the originator won! My money was not on the copy anyways. Kudos to the M3!
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You would think that he would test the M3 out before he drove it. I mean showing him reading the manual on how to use launch control. I was amazed in the straight line test - ISF got the jump and the M3 still beat it!
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In all seriousness, this episode shows how silly some of the discussions are. If two professionals were this close driving these cars...in the real world...with amateurs driving them, either car could win by huge margins depending on the driver.
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it combusted at will though.

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The LFA may sound great, but given the choice, no question, I would get the Ferrari 458. The 458 has 18 more horsepower, 44 lbs/ft more torque from a 4.5L V8 vs the 4.8L V10 in the LFA. Plus the 458 is 200 pounds lighter. The 458 should eat the LFA alive on the track and in a straight line.

It's not like the Ferrari sounds bad either.


IMO, a car should be judged on its merits, not on how many are going to be produced. The limited production of the LFA may make it more expensive than the Ferrari, but IMO, doesn't make it any more desirable.
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