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      03-25-2007, 02:34 AM   #89
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I have always liked turbo cars very much. The M3 is a good excelent car, but the 335i will have a lot of options in the future. It is so popular today, the M3 can't have the same sales the 335i has had and will have. I mean, less than a year and look how many people have 335s in this web site. Look how many people have ordered a PROcede!!! I am on a waitng list of 1 month and 1 week. And now they are saying: "No 335's till July?" damn. Besides, a 3 series for $70,000? That is crazy money... but lets see how will it do againts its competitors (not only MB and Audi), but Porsche and others (I can't think of anything else). There is where the real challenge is, we don't know yet as a fact.

And I am one of those who thinks that a well done 335 will be better at the track than the new STOCK M3. It doesn't take much to do this. And if the issue is Track, then lets forget about warranty and non track related details. However, if you mean that you can NOT have a 335i with a setup of a M3 with all its luxury (warranty, looks, reliability), then you a right. But if it comes to performance, there is a world of possibilities. Otherwise, I guess Vishnu's Evos and STis are all trash to you, but they still win (Nice job by the way). Not only Vishnu but many other fine performance companies; in the US there are so many.
I bet Hamman will come out with some nice engine setups for the 335i, or Dinan! I mean, companies will most likely built parts for cars that sell hot.

Please M3 lovers, don't get me wrong, I would love an M3. But don't tell me a well built 335i will never take the new Stock M3 on the track cuz that is bs.
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this is what happens when former japanese car owners invade a BMW forum.
I second that. I feel like this forum is filled with teenagers. "My modded turbo civic can smoke your 200k Ferrari". So childish. When the new m3 rolls of the asembly line for 67k nicely optioned everyone will quiet down. Sure you can spend 10k on top a loaded 49k 335i to make it close to as fast as an m3. You know what you also get though? No more waranty on a 49k car. I own a 330ci. I can spend 10k to mod it to make it almost as fast as an e46 m3 around the track, but at the end of the day I would still rather have a stock m3. To each his own. My next car is definitely going to be an m3 or m5. Stop turning BMW forums into Honda civic forums.
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      03-25-2007, 03:10 AM   #91
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Just went to a dealership here in Socal to test drive an e93 335. The sticker on the car was $55,000 with a $12,000 markup......they want $67K for the car. I can just imagine what the M3 will be going for when it first comes out........insane
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      03-25-2007, 03:12 AM   #92
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dont know if this was addressed, dont feel like reading thru the whole thread, but there was a price leak a while back, and the base price for the E92 M3 was stated as under $54K.
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      03-25-2007, 03:13 AM   #93
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Just went to a dealership here in Socal to test drive an e93 335. The sticker on the car was $55,000 with a $12,000 markup......they want $67K for the car. I can just imagine what the M3 will be going for when it first comes out........insane
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      03-25-2007, 03:59 AM   #94
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The new M3 will be a cool car to have. It will probably cost around 70k, but what can you buy brand new for 70k that will be close to performance, besides corvette?
exige?

this 335i vs m3 is ridiculous. bottom line, get the best you can afford. if you're gonna bitch about how a "modded" 335 will outrun the m3, you're obviously not in the financial position to be considering an m3. its not a big deal, m3 was not a common man's car. while you are justifying your 335 purchase to yourself and others, someone can say they modified a civic that can run circles around your 335. its not like a 335 was a bang-for-your-buck car in the first place. bmw's are not meant to be bang for your buck, hence the moniker of luxury sports sedan/coupe. so please, the group trying to convince everyone that the m3 is not a "value-wise" purchase, you really are not convincing a single person, you are just getting others who already are in the confused state of mind to agree with you. a bmw was never a "value-wise" purchase. the m3 is no different.
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exige?

this 335i vs m3 is ridiculous. bottom line, get the best you can afford. if you're gonna bitch about how a "modded" 335 will outrun the m3, you're obviously not in the financial position to be considering an m3. its not a big deal, m3 was not a common man's car. while you are justifying your 335 purchase to yourself and others, someone can say they modified a civic that can run circles around your 335. its not like a 335 was a bang-for-your-buck car in the first place. bmw's are not meant to be bang for your buck, hence the moniker of luxury sports sedan/coupe. so please, the group trying to convince everyone that the m3 is not a "value-wise" purchase, you really are not convincing a single person, you are just getting others who already are in the confused state of mind to agree with you. a bmw was never a "value-wise" purchase. the m3 is no different.

Well for me it's not a money thing I had an 04 E46 M3 , 05 545i Loaded , 04 MB CL55 AMG and I still wouldn't buy the new M3 it's really not as special as it used to be it will be cool but not a whole lot better of a car like the E46 3 vs M3 .For that money I rather have a used M5 or something just my $0.02
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      03-25-2007, 06:48 AM   #97
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this is what happens when former japanese car owners invade a BMW forum.
Yeah? And I was thinking this is what happens when ignorant BMW M Badge whores post in this forum.
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I can't believe how ignorant some people are on here. I find it quite sad that you feel you have to knock something you're not into.

We obviously all like cars, and we bought what was available at the time or suited our pockets, lets just enjoy what we have??


Slagging off Jap car drivers, or putting down 335i drivers makes you one sad looking mother fecker!! Get a fecking life, please!!


the one thing I have learnt over the years, those that are nice and never feel the need to put someone down are those who have made it in life, those that are always slagging others off or big upping themselves are usually the ones who ........................ well I won't lower myself to that level, but I am sure you can fill on the gaps.
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      03-25-2007, 07:44 AM   #99
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exige?

this 335i vs m3 is ridiculous. bottom line, get the best you can afford. if you're gonna bitch about how a "modded" 335 will outrun the m3, you're obviously not in the financial position to be considering an m3. its not a big deal, m3 was not a common man's car. while you are justifying your 335 purchase to yourself and others, someone can say they modified a civic that can run circles around your 335. its not like a 335 was a bang-for-your-buck car in the first place. bmw's are not meant to be bang for your buck, hence the moniker of luxury sports sedan/coupe. so please, the group trying to convince everyone that the m3 is not a "value-wise" purchase, you really are not convincing a single person, you are just getting others who already are in the confused state of mind to agree with you. a bmw was never a "value-wise" purchase. the m3 is no different.

your arguement hinges on the fact that many people are getting the 335i bc they cant afford the M3. this just isnt true. i could super easily afford an M3 or a more expensive car, but i decided that the 335 w procede is plenty of car for someone in my position who doesnt really plan on seriously tracking my car. a few extra horses and a CF roof are great, but unless a loaded M3 comes out at under say, $62k, its overpriced and not worth it to me.

im sure it will be a phenomenal car, but for a similar price premium (about 16-23k more than a 335i most likely when loaded out), i would rather jump up a similar or lesser amount once more and get an M5.
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I second that. I feel like this forum is filled with teenagers. "My modded turbo civic can smoke your 200k Ferrari". So childish. When the new m3 rolls of the asembly line for 67k nicely optioned everyone will quiet down. Sure you can spend 10k on top a loaded 49k 335i to make it close to as fast as an m3. You know what you also get though? No more waranty on a 49k car. I own a 330ci. I can spend 10k to mod it to make it almost as fast as an e46 m3 around the track, but at the end of the day I would still rather have a stock m3. To each his own. My next car is definitely going to be an m3 or m5. Stop turning BMW forums into Honda civic forums.

stop turning the e90 forums into a Track Racing Forum? since 98% of people never track their cars, why all the discussion about whether or not $10k added onto a 335 will beat an M3?

Its a fact that alot of people who were waiting for the next M3 bought 335's as an in between car. and its a fact that many of those people (who are obviously huge BMW fans already) are saying they WILL NOT buy the new M3, mainly bc of the huge price increase and the similar performance you can get (again, im not talking about the track) for much less, along with a smoother ride of a 335.

stop acting like us '335 guys' are sitting in the poor house, looking through the glass ceiling at all the m3 owners. we can also buy the car if we deem it worth the asking price compared to the 335, and many of us agree it isnt.
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I love this "oh, but past a 100-120mph it will kill a 335." Where the hell are you people racing M3's versus 335's over 100-120mph legally?
I go to Watkins Glen a few times a year. It's perfectly legal, and I get 140 on the backstretch in a stock E46.

I'm not sure what part of IL you're from but if you're interested, go to http://www.stlbmwcca.org/drivingschool.shtml and you can do it legally yourself on 8-10 Jun. If you're in northern IL, check out the Chicago club's website. I'm sure the go to Chicagoland speedway or (the best road course in the US) Road America. Plenty of opportunities.

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I hope the M3 will be much more expensive tha the 335i. The ///M cars are all about exclusivity, that's the beauty of owning an M.
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yeah bmw should price it at 80k, that will surely make it exclusive.
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i guess thats what they mean by badge whores.
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Exactly.
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In order to clarify for many members in the thread let this point be made:

The E30 M3 is the real M3. Every model following said automobile has been diluted to the point where it's nothing more than an edgier version of a (now) portly 3 series.

The performance gap between the M3 and the 335i will be minimal, therefore mine and several others' point still stands: the price difference between the 335i and M3 is most certainly not justified in the least bit.

I am not telling people what to do with your money, I am simply offering a realistic perspective on these two particular models.
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You guys are a bunch of assholes. Jason needs to lock this until someone actually has the new M3 in their garage post-335 or they have a race. BTW, I don't think a 335 will be able to touch the M3. Not until someone upgrades the turbos. And then you run into a whole host of other problems, especially if you have a stick.
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I don't know why everyone keeps saying there will be a huge price difference between the new m3 and the 335i when pricing hasn't even been released. 40k versus 70? 41k for a 335i without leather or anything in it. I dont think the m3 will be 70k when the m5 is 82k. It will probably be the same difference between the e46 330ci and e46 m3. 15k difference in base msrp. 35k vs. 49k. Performance difference is about the same also.
e46 330ci - 225 hp e46 m3 333 hp
e92 335i - 300 hp e92 m3 - 420 hp. around 120 hp difference and 15k difference in price most likely.

The 335i is a great car, but why does everyone need to prove it is a better value than the m3 when pricing for the m3 or technical specs are even out. If you like your 335i's, that is great. They are wonderful cars, but stop trying to prove they are better/better value than the m3 when it isn't even out yet. No one is trying to say the 335i isn't a great car. If the price of a loaded m3 is more than 67k, then I agree with everything you guys say. It will not be worth it then. Let's wait and see.
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yeah bmw should price it at 80k, that will surely make it exclusive.
Might as well make it 120k. It will be far more exclusive in that sense.

Not directed at anyone:
There are a lots of acrimonious words exchanged and lots of tension in the air. I used to enjoy reading this forum because people act with civility and decency. I enjoyed reading reliable information from e90fleet and learning more about BMWs from others instead of bickering over whose car is better. Please don't let this forum turn into another e45fanat...
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