BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > General M3 Forum (E90 + E92 + E93)
 
BPM Sport
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      03-18-2007, 12:45 AM   #23
BMW //MPOWER
Major
 
Drives: BMW 325CI MY04 //M Clubsport
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia

Posts: 1,398
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Send a message via MSN to BMW //MPOWER
Quote:
Originally Posted by swamp2 View Post
You guys need to keep the amount of weight saved by the CF sunroof in perspective. I think it will be about 10-15 lbs. You could loose that on a diet in 2 weeks or by not carying anything around with you in your car. I agree that the whole sunroof/CF roof is not nearly enough to not by the car.

And in regard to the Cayman: Girls car (IMO, no flames thanks). And in all performance areas E92 M3 > Cayman S. Sure we don't have exact specs yet but this is pretty much for sure.
Why even bother with a cayman? It's a try hard car, if you want a porsche it's a 911 or nothing..
__________________

BMW 325Ci MY2004 Individual //M Clubsport Edition, //M Clubsport package, //M Sport 18"s, Manual //M Short Shift, Carbon Black, Black Aluminium Cube Interior.
BMW //MPOWER is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2007, 10:40 AM   #24
bmwX5tudm
Registered
 
Drives: BMW X5 4.4i / BMW 335i
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: NY/DE

Posts: 2
iTrader: (0)

Send a message via AIM to bmwX5tudm
SUNROOF

As a BMW employee, the speculation I have been hearing is that there will probably be a "Carbon Roof Delete" option that will include the regular sheetmetal roof and a sunroof...
bmwX5tudm is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2007, 11:24 AM   #25
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
 
RandyB's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

Posts: 1,504
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwX5tudm View Post
As a BMW employee, the speculation I have been hearing is that there will probably be a "Carbon Roof Delete" option that will include the regular sheetmetal roof and a sunroof...
How likely is there to be a sunroof delete option for the sheetmetal roof? I really want a body color roof with no hole in it.

If the only way to delete a sunroof is the CF roof, then so be it. Thanks for the info - that sounds interesting.
RandyB is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2007, 11:59 AM   #26
southlight
Moderator / European Editor
 
southlight's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Germany

Posts: 6,748
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyB View Post
How likely is there to be a sunroof delete option for the sheetmetal roof? I really want a body color roof with no hole in it.

If the only way to delete a sunroof is the CF roof, then so be it. Thanks for the info - that sounds interesting.
Not likely at all. You'll have to decide between CF and sunroof! If you want a body color roof with no hole "in" it, you have to wait for the M3 Convertible.

Best regards, south
southlight is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2007, 12:47 PM   #27
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
 
RandyB's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

Posts: 1,504
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by southlight View Post
Not likely at all. You'll have to decide between CF and sunroof! If you want a body color roof with no hole "in" it, you have to wait for the M3 Convertible.

Best regards, south
The CF is starting to grow on me a little after seeing it on the rear spoiler of the Porsche GT3 RS. I will definitely and gladly take it over a sunroof if that is the only way.
RandyB is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-18-2007, 11:04 PM   #28
skierman64
Brigadier General
 
skierman64's Avatar
 
Drives: 2008 E92 Space Gray M3 & E36M3
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Greater St Louis Metro area

Posts: 3,068
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1998 M3 Coupe  [0.00]
2008 M3 Coupe  [0.00]
Send a message via Yahoo to skierman64
Randy, If I were you I'd just have the roof painted after delivery. Any good body shop could do such a good job that you won't be able to tell it's not a factory paint job.
skierman64 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-19-2007, 01:42 AM   #29
maq
Lieutenant
 
Drives: MTA Monthly Pass
Join Date: May 2005
Location: NYC

Posts: 470
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by esquire View Post
i wasn't aware of that. i didn't think carbon fiber could be primed the same way normal metal can. can anyone confirm this?
CF body panels can indeed be painted. Just look at the McLaren F1, it's CF bodied and came in any color.
maq is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-19-2007, 04:08 PM   #30
Helix
New Member
 
Helix's Avatar
 
Drives: E46 M3CS
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: SE England

Posts: 16
iTrader: (0)

CSLs in the UK have had problems with paint non-adherence on CF parts. I believe it may be cured now, with special paint job (CF flexing was the issue, I gather).
Helix is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      03-19-2007, 04:19 PM   #31
Smoltz
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 04 Challenge Stradale + 02 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Live Free or Die

Posts: 464
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW //MPOWER View Post
Why even bother with a cayman? It's a try hard car, if you want a porsche it's a 911 or nothing..
Says someone who is driving an M badged 325.

LOL.

Don't judge a car by the badge, judge it by the performance and the way it handles and how enjoyable it is to drive.

-Adam
Smoltz is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-19-2007, 05:08 PM   #32
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
 
RandyB's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

Posts: 1,504
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by skierman64 View Post
Randy, If I were you I'd just have the roof painted after delivery. Any good body shop could do such a good job that you won't be able to tell it's not a factory paint job.
Yeah, but I would rather not paint on my brand new M3. I'll leave it be most likely. The purists will know if it gets painted.
RandyB is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 04:06 AM   #33
esquire
Colonel
 
esquire's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011.5 Dakar Yellow M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Orange County, California

Posts: 2,800
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyB View Post
Yeah, but I would rather not paint on my brand new M3. I'll leave it be most likely. The purists will know if it gets painted.
you use the word purist as if though it's something to strive to attain. a purist in the true sense of the word wouldn't do anything more to his M than tint the car, if that. the sickest cars you'll see at any car show, are owned by people who don't think so formulaically,unconfined thinkers... or in other words non-purists. if i had to choose between purism, and uniqueness... and ultimately that is exactly the choice you're faced with.... i choose the latter. hands down.
__________________

[ESS VT2-625] [Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust] [KW Clubsports] [OSS Angel Eyes] [Revinora r-CRT Lip]
[Vorsteiner Boot] [Challenge Race Diffuser] [See the Build Thread HERE]
esquire is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 04:21 AM   #34
BMW //MPOWER
Major
 
Drives: BMW 325CI MY04 //M Clubsport
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia

Posts: 1,398
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Send a message via MSN to BMW //MPOWER
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoltz View Post
Says someone who is driving an M badged 325.

LOL.

Don't judge a car by the badge, judge it by the performance and the way it handles and how enjoyable it is to drive.

-Adam
It's not an M badged 325ci, it's badged the 325ci, no m badges on the outside, it's the individual M clubsport edition you monkey all factory options, nothing after market.
FYI - i have ordered the e92 m3.
__________________

BMW 325Ci MY2004 Individual //M Clubsport Edition, //M Clubsport package, //M Sport 18"s, Manual //M Short Shift, Carbon Black, Black Aluminium Cube Interior.
BMW //MPOWER is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 04:23 AM   #35
BMW //MPOWER
Major
 
Drives: BMW 325CI MY04 //M Clubsport
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia

Posts: 1,398
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Send a message via MSN to BMW //MPOWER
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoltz View Post
Says someone who is driving an M badged 325.

LOL.

Don't judge a car by the badge, judge it by the performance and the way it handles and how enjoyable it is to drive.

-Adam
FYI - the cayman is a half baked car for people who can't get into 911's, and for what it is it's a waste of money, i've driven the cayman and honestly it didn't impress me.
__________________

BMW 325Ci MY2004 Individual //M Clubsport Edition, //M Clubsport package, //M Sport 18"s, Manual //M Short Shift, Carbon Black, Black Aluminium Cube Interior.
BMW //MPOWER is offline   Australia
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 05:00 AM   #36
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
 
RandyB's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

Posts: 1,504
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by esquire View Post
you use the word purist as if though it's something to strive to attain. a purist in the true sense of the word wouldn't do anything more to his M than tint the car, if that. the sickest cars you'll see at any car show, are owned by people who don't think so formulaically,unconfined thinkers... or in other words non-purists. if i had to choose between purism, and uniqueness... and ultimately that is exactly the choice you're faced with.... i choose the latter. hands down.
I won't even tint mine. I do enjoy looking at all of the unique cars with all of their 'upgrades', it's quite entertaining most of the time. I like the factory aesthetic myself. To each their own.
RandyB is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 05:34 AM   #37
southlight
Moderator / European Editor
 
southlight's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Germany

Posts: 6,748
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW //MPOWER View Post
FYI - the cayman is a half baked car for people who can't get into 911's, and for what it is it's a waste of money, i've driven the cayman and honestly it didn't impress me.
I couldn't diasgree more. The Cayman S (did you drive the one without?) is one of the best handling and "feeling" cars of today. The Cayman revives the idea and concept the 911 used to be years and decades ago. Only disadvantage is the lack of a lsd. I'm aware that there are many folks out there who don't care to much about how a car drives whereas they emphasize that everybody sees what big/expensive car they're driving... But on an unbiased view the Cayman is a great car. That's enough OT.

Best regards, south
southlight is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 06:06 AM   #38
888
I'm takin' the day off.
 
888's Avatar
 
Drives: M
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: USA

Posts: 339
iTrader: (0)

option is CF or sunroof

Quote:
Originally Posted by bmwX5tudm View Post
As a BMW employee, the speculation I have been hearing is that there will probably be a "Carbon Roof Delete" option that will include the regular sheetmetal roof and a sunroof...
Correct, I just saw the first demo cars being spect for June production and the option is CF or sunroof.
888 is offline   South Africa
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 06:36 AM   #39
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
 
RandyB's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

Posts: 1,504
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 888 View Post
Correct, I just saw the first demo cars being spect for June production and the option is CF or sunroof.
CF it is then. I can live with that I guess. They probably figure that someone who is concerned with weight savings up high will not be the same guy that wants a sunroof (excluding swamp2).
RandyB is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 07:39 AM   #40
jjraiser
New Member
 
Drives: '07 Mustang GT
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Pennsylvania

Posts: 6
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW //MPOWER View Post
Why even bother with a cayman? It's a try hard car, if you want a porsche it's a 911 or nothing..

The Cayman is a fantastic car. Its mid-engine set-up is the proper way a sports car should be set up; not a 911 rear-engine layout. Porsche has tuned the 911 over the years to be more stable and make it work well. And it is a great car, but the Cayman doesn't need to be tuned to be more stable and work well; it just does. All the reviews and write-ups confirm this.

As far as sunroofs, they are not for the purist and true sports car or purist driver. First of all, enjoying the sun(or moon) is not high performance driving. Second, proper seating position is upright, unless you're in a open wheel race car or you're some punk gansta. That said, taller drivers cannot seat themselves properly in a car with a sunroof, and it'll never pass the helmet test. No sunroofs for true sports cars. Besides, they're too damn expensive!

However, I get the idea that not everyone wants what I want. I do know there are plenty of you out there who do dig on pure sports cars. In the end, a car such as an M3 with much wider market than an M6 or M5 should have appeal to that wider market. They should offer a no sunroof CF and a metal roof with a sunroof OPTION. No one's right or wrong, but I'll be pissed if there's no M3 without a sunroof. Hell, I'm miffed I can get a new 3 Series for that very reason!
jjraiser is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 08:11 AM   #41
RandyB
Lieutenant Colonel
 
RandyB's Avatar
 
Drives: '03 330i, '09 M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Texas

Posts: 1,504
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by jjraiser View Post
The Cayman is a fantastic car. Its mid-engine set-up is the proper way a sports car should be set up; not a 911 rear-engine layout. Porsche has tuned the 911 over the years to be more stable and make it work well. And it is a great car, but the Cayman doesn't need to be tuned to be more stable and work well; it just does. All the reviews and write-ups confirm this.

As far as sunroofs, they are not for the purist and true sports car or purist driver. First of all, enjoying the sun(or moon) is not high performance driving. Second, proper seating position is upright, unless you're in a open wheel race car or you're some punk gansta. That said, taller drivers cannot seat themselves properly in a car with a sunroof, and it'll never pass the helmet test. No sunroofs for true sports cars. Besides, they're too damn expensive!

However, I get the idea that not everyone wants what I want. I do know there are plenty of you out there who do dig on pure sports cars. In the end, a car such as an M3 with much wider market than an M6 or M5 should have appeal to that wider market. They should offer a no sunroof CF and a metal roof with a sunroof OPTION. No one's right or wrong, but I'll be pissed if there's no M3 without a sunroof. Hell, I'm miffed I can get a new 3 Series for that very reason!
Bravo! I agree with everything you said.
RandyB is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 08:27 AM   #42
Smoltz
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 04 Challenge Stradale + 02 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Live Free or Die

Posts: 464
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW //MPOWER View Post
It's not an M badged 325ci, it's badged the 325ci, no m badges on the outside, it's the individual M clubsport edition you monkey all factory options, nothing after market.
FYI - i have ordered the e92 m3.
My point is that your car is trying to be an M harder than the Cayman is trying to be a 911.


The 325 is a great car, as is the M3, as is the Cayman, as is the 911.

-Adam
Smoltz is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 08:28 AM   #43
Smoltz
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 04 Challenge Stradale + 02 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Live Free or Die

Posts: 464
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BMW //MPOWER View Post
FYI - the cayman is a half baked car for people who can't get into 911's, and for what it is it's a waste of money, i've driven the cayman and honestly it didn't impress me.
The reason it didn't impress you is because you're jaded by the 911 snob mentality. The Cayman, by all accounts is one of the best sports cars on the market.

-Adam
Smoltz is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      03-20-2007, 08:31 AM   #44
E36325is
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: 1M coupe
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hong Kong

Posts: 220
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoltz View Post
Says someone who is driving an M badged 325.

LOL.

Don't judge a car by the badge, judge it by the performance and the way it handles and how enjoyable it is to drive.

-Adam
Exactly guess he doesn't understand how a mid engine car feels and handles like... get a life
E36325is is offline   Hong Kong
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:50 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST