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      08-14-2010, 12:18 PM   #1
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Thumbs up AMS Magazine: Another Comparison, Another Victory - M3 ZCP vs. RS5, C63, B3

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The German car magazine Auto Motor und Sport featured an interesting comparison test in their latest issue. Following the current trend, they pitted the E92 M3 equipped with Competition Package (ZCP) and DCT against the Audi RS5. But it doesn't stop there, and they also included the Mercedes C63 with the Performance Package Plus and the Alpina B3 S in this comparison.

As many know already, the M3's on a roll lately coming out of every comparison with the Audi RS5 on top. Fortunately, this series doesn't stop now, and the M3 won this comparison against its three contenders. Remarkable is also the AMS verdict which not only emphasizes the M3's performance, but also its driving comfort.

See for yourself, here are the results:

BMW E92 M3 ZCP DCT
Audi RS5
Mercedes C63 AMG PPP
Alpina B3 S
0-100 kph
4.5 s
4.7 s
4.5 s
4.8 s
0-200 kph
16.1 s
16.9 s
14.7 s
16.6 s
Hockenheim
1:14.0 min
1:15.4 min
1:15.6 min
1:16.5 min
18m slalom
69.9 kph
66.9 kph
63.7 kph
65.3 kph
VDA lange change (entry/exit speed)
75/63 kph
76/54 kph
73/48 kph
72/69 kph
ISO test (moose test)
140.4/139.9 kph
138.0/139.9 kph
135.6/135.2 kph
136.1/135.2 kph
Braking Distance (100 kph)
35.3 m / 34.1 m
35.5 m / 35.3 m
36.4 m / 36.1 m
35.6 m / 37.7 m
Fuel Consumption (liters per 100km)
15.6 l
14.2 l
15.8 l
13.1 l
(Curb) Weight
1617 kg
1785 kg
1742 kg
1598 kg
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RANKING
1st
3rd
4th
2nd
.
Chassis
70
64
73
69
Safety
81
82
79
78
Driving comfort
88
88
79
78
Drivetrain
71
69
68
71
Performance
87
85
73
75
Total points (without costs and environment)
397
388
372
376
Environment (fuel, emission, CO2, weight)
18
20
17
24
Costs
75
72
71
87
Total Points
490
480
460
487



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      08-14-2010, 12:26 PM   #2
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Embarrassing for Audi - they talk a LOT of trash about BMW these days and yet their car, which came out after the M3, couldn't match it.
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Is amazing how Audi is always last to the ballgame which gives them a huge advantage and they STILL cant come out on top. It happens to all their cars.
Maybe you need to check out this.
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Thanks.
I can't believe how bad the mileage/CO2 is for the Audi. It's even worse than the big MB.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Maybe you need to check out this.
What's the point of comparing cars being driven by different drivers?
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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Maybe you need to check out this.
That is literally the only track on that website where the M3 didn't spank all the Audis.

Hey Footie, remind me again... why you are on this board?
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Maybe you need to check out this.
As I just wrote here, that's an M3 convertible. Was a good try, though.

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Thanks.
I can't believe how bad the mileage/CO2 is for the Audi. It's even worse than the big MB.
That's a bit confusing, we Europeans state mileage the other way (liter per 100km as opposed to mpg), so the lower the figure, the better.

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What's the point of comparing cars being driven by different drivers?
Different drivers, different magazines, oh, and did I mention it was an M3 convertible?


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That is literally the only track on that website where the M3 didn't spank all the Audis.

Hey Footie, remind me again... why you are on this board?

He forgot to mention that the site listed the M3 wrong. It was a E93 vert and not an E92.

http://www.**************.com/intern...tml#post475430

*edit* Southlight beat me to it.

Was a nice try though footie.
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It was the e93 M3 LOL
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point for point, tit for tat, BMW > Audi. Its quite pleasurable to see all these Audi adverts on tv saying how their cars have the best residuals amongst german cars, or how many of them are still on the road today. Kiss my ass, audi couldnt build a car to save their life. I dont know any car tech that says they would dip their dick in an audi, its either BMW or MB. Apparrently the guys at world car fans talk massive amounts of shit about bmw's... someone tell me what thats all about.

anywho, it makes me very happy that the M3 ZCP has won every single point comparison so far. BMW FTW now wenever the audi fanboy's talk their trash, i need not even entertain their conversations anymore. We have won once again my friends
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The point for posting the link was to show how much quicker the RS5 was to the C63. I already knew it wasn't the E92. Don't blame me for Fastestlaps getting it wrong.

Everyone assumes that the RS5 is dramatically slower than an M3 based on some of these reviews but I am trying to show that there are other occasions where the RS5 is comprehensively quicker than those main rivals.
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Maybe you need to check out this.
Well, in an uncertain and ever changing world, it's nice to know there are some things that are certain and never change.
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The point for posting the link was to show how much quicker the RS5 was to the C63. I already knew it wasn't the E92. Don't blame me for Fastestlaps getting it wrong.

Everyone assumes that the RS5 is dramatically slower than an M3 based on some of these reviews but I am trying to show that there are other occasions where the RS5 is comprehensively quicker than those main rivals.
Meh, no one's blaming you Footie. And yeah, there may be situations where the RS5 is going to be in it's element--point taken--although I'm still not convinced by the data presented here. I'm just conceding it's a possibility, not that the point has been proven.

I rather enjoy having your point of view around here as it keeps things honest and does provide some good natured fun and interest at the same time. For what it's worth you'd be missed if you were gone. So stick around.
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Everyone assumes that the RS5 is dramatically slower than an M3 based on some of these reviews but I am trying to show that there are other occasions where the RS5 is comprehensively quicker than those main rivals.
No the RS5 is never quicker than the M3 when tested on the same day in a side-by-side shoot-out. Compilations of times are useless, & you know it.
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No the RS5 is never quicker than the M3 when tested on the same day in a side-by-side shoot-out. Compilations of times are useless, & you know it.
exactly this. but hes talking about the rs5 vs in category rivals, not just the m3.

but the facts remain, M3 ZCP > RS5
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No the RS5 is never quicker than the M3 when tested on the same day in a side-by-side shoot-out. Compilations of times are useless, & you know it.
I take it you track a lot? If so are your times dramatically different when conditions are similar. I know I was always very consistent but then again maybe I was just lucky.

Now if you are telling me that different drivers were used then I will concede that the data is less useful as an indicator but even then the difference between two professional drivers is quite slim because these cars aren't stretching their talents. So in otherwords the difference between different days should only be the odd tenth if conditions are similar (i.e. dry).
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It didnt take you long to show up. what are you showing me here? that means nothing to me. overpriced R8?
+1. He strikes again. Those numbers are like finding a needle in a haystack. There is no way an s5 is going to be quicker around the track than an e92 m3 with the same driver and conditions. I also find it a little hard to believe it would be faster than an e93. S5 would be more on par with a 335.

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I take it you track a lot? If so are your times dramatically different when conditions are similar. I know I was always very consistent but then again maybe I was just lucky.

Now if you are telling me that different drivers were used then I will concede that the data is less useful as an indicator but even then the difference between two professional drivers is quite slim because these cars aren't stretching their talents. So in otherwords the difference between different days should only be the odd tenth if conditions are similar (i.e. dry).
The only consistent thing here is the RS5 losing every comparo against the M3 and the excuses that follows.

Can I get an amen?
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^ I think it will depend on the style of the track, some power track will show the E93 M3 to be quicker by a huge margin while others will show little difference. If you were to ask Alito is he felt his E93 was quicker I think you might be surprised by his comments.
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^ I think it will depend on the style of the track, some power track will show the E93 M3 to be quicker by a huge margin while others will show little difference. If you were to ask Alito is he felt his E93 was quicker I think you might be surprised by his comments.
Well the e93 with it's extra weight of 400lbs and rigidity loss is obviously not as quick as the coupe on the track...I have driven the car multiple times, but I still think it should be faster than an s5 on the track. It turns better and has a slightly higher weight to hp ratio.
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I take it you track a lot? If so are your times dramatically different when conditions are similar. I know I was always very consistent but then again maybe I was just lucky.

Now if you are telling me that different drivers were used then I will concede that the data is less useful as an indicator but even then the difference between two professional drivers is quite slim because these cars aren't stretching their talents. So in otherwords the difference between different days should only be the odd tenth if conditions are similar (i.e. dry).
I actually do track a lot, & I have an Audi as well. Compilations of times are meaningless, we don't even know if they had the same driver. Stop being a sore loser.

There have been 3 or 4 shoot-outs where the RS5 has lost to the M3. All on the same track, same day, with the same driver. Give it up already, you can't get a more controlled test than that.
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