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      06-08-2010, 01:36 AM   #45
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Keep in mind that there was an update to the LUX whereby it was changed from a 2 led system to a 4 led system, which made it slightly brighter and more evenly lit as well as slightly more blue. Not sure which one is being shown in those pictures.

Either way, it seems like the differences between the two are almost indiscernible in the pics to me as there will be hotspots in the lighting no matter what is used other than a CFL or LED solution. Certainly the fact that the new LUX's would require parts to be stored outside the housing would make me lean towards the AIB, but thankfully I have the older version that supposedly works fine inside.
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I will check with AiB in the morning to see if there is an upgrade path available.
Thanks, Tom. I'd like to know as well.
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I've noticed this effect shown in your picture. I've seen it with an all OEM system, with the GP Thunder set up and with the camaross+GP Thunders. The rings themselves are simply high sensitive to a narrow cone shaped viewing angle. Out side of that angle the rings can appear almost unlit. This characteristic is the same regardless of how much light is being pumped into the rings and regardless of the relative light balance between the rings. Although this leads to pictures like the one you have shown, I think it is more or less by design and intent. Just like you don't want a headlight pointing to the sky and blinding someone, you also don't want an angel eye pumping out a lot of brightness to the side, perhaps "brighting" a car you are overtaking.

Specifically can you tell us if the AIB system is immune from this? If it is not, which I suspect it isn't, this means the photo is not a fair comparison at all, showing the best of AIB and the worst for LUX. Move the eyes or camera a bit to one side or the other and the image might be entirely "reversed".
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exactly what I was going to say before I got far enough to read your post. It isn't a fair shot, you are slightly off center and more in front of the AIB. This always makes the light you are in front of look slightly better and more evenly lit. You can easily take the slightest angle off of an AiB light and the outer ring doesn't look lit either. No offense to AiB, I have them currently and am happy with them.
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exactly what I was going to say before I got far enough to read your post. It isn't a fair shot, you are slightly off center and more in front of the AIB. This always makes the light you are in front of look slightly better and more evenly lit. You can easily take the slightest angle off of an AiB light and the outer ring doesn't look lit either. No offense to AiB, I have them currently and am happy with them.
Thanks J08M3. Someone else understands and has personally observed my point.

Tom: Whether or not you intended any bias is one question. However, I think it is quite fair to say you photo does show an unfair bias. Both color and ring illumination UNIFORMITY are tough to photograph accurately. Since you still have this car take two additional pictures, one dead on in front of AiB, one dead on in front of LUX. That should settle the matter. The difference show in your single shot should, more or less disappear.
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      06-08-2010, 07:02 PM   #49
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I have no problem taking these different types on pics of my AiB's to show the difference. I will try to take some tonight.
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So here they are. It is not high noon but it should prove or disprove the point. I will leave that up to you to decide and of course both sides are AiB's.









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Thanks J08M3. Someone else understands and has personally observed my point.

Tom: Whether or not you intended any bias is one question. However, I think it is quite fair to say you photo does show an unfair bias. Both color and ring illumination UNIFORMITY are tough to photograph accurately. Since you still have this car take two additional pictures, one dead on in front of AiB, one dead on in front of LUX. That should settle the matter. The difference show in your single shot should, more or less disappear.
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I have no problem taking these different types on pics of my AiB's to show the difference. I will try to take some tonight.
Since we're on the subject of pics from slight angles, I could probably do the same.... There are plenty of angles where an AiB doesn't look evenly lit. In fact from perfect straight on, it doesn't look anymore even than when I used camaross305's "elite" kit - the one that put full power to a regular H8 bulb...

Here's some pics I posted awhile back:
This first one shows just a regular GP Thunder H8 bulb, no special wiring kits, from straight on it looks evenly lit


Here's one using the camaross305 "elite" kit which supplied full power to GP Thunder H8s at all times, notice how one looks perfectly lit that the camera is in front of and the other (exact same setup) looks like it's not even lit as the camera is off to the side.
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Lesson of the day: You can't expect somebody who wants to sell you something to be unbiased .
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Well I am in sales and of course you are going to put YOUR product or whatever you have to sell in a position to seem to be the best. That is the whole point of sales isn't it.

With that being said, I still think AiB's are the way to go. In fact I believe any light inside the OEM angel eye is going to look dimmer at an off-angle. It is a function of the light ring itself. Even the headlights look brighter head-on than they do from a side angle.
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Well I am in sales and of course you are going to put YOUR product or whatever you have to sell in a position to seem to be the best. That is the whole point of sales isn't it.

With that being said, I still think AiB's are the way to go. In fact I believe any light inside the OEM angel eye is going to look dimmer at an off-angle. It is a function of the light ring itself. Even the headlights look brighter head-on than they do from a side angle.
Agreed on all points....

And this also proves exactly why pics from vendors can be very deceptive.
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I found this image, of a set of PIAA ION YELLOW H8s, so I ordered it!

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I found this image, of a set of PIAA ION YELLOW H8s, so I ordered it!


That looks pretty cool.

Do you (can you) take a pic with the head lights on? I'd like to see how well they go together.


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^Will do, I'll do that once I get my car!!!! I'm picking up my 2011ZCP this friday/saturday and amazon s is due to deliver the bulbs sometime next week!!!!
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In regards to this photo above- I am the one that took this picture. I Set the camera in the most centered position I could get to show an un-biased photo of both options. This picture is not misleading or angled to one side to make the AIB's look better, it is simply dead center, so all the talk about angles and vendors posting misleading shots is simply not true in the case of this photo- anyone that is local, I would not hesitate for a single second to show you the comparison IN PERSON to see for yourself.

I am not sure what LUX version this was, but the center ring of the LUX kit was brighter than the center ring of the AIB kit, however, just like the photo shows, the outer ring on the AIB kit was at least 50% brighter. That is what I saw, and it is what I captured on film-no photoshop involved in this photo other than our watermark on the bottom and the text.

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I am not sure what LUX version this was, but the center ring of the LUX kit was brighter than the center ring of the AIB kit, however, just like the photo shows, the outer ring on the AIB kit was at least 50% brighter. That is what I saw, and it is what I captured on film-no photoshop involved in this photo other than our watermark on the bottom and the text.
To confirm, this was compared with the 4LED (2 SMT) LUX version.
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^Will do, I'll do that once I get my car!!!! I'm picking up my 2011ZCP this friday/saturday and amazon s is due to deliver the bulbs sometime next week!!!!
Nice! I can tell you're excited about getting your new M3. Good luck!


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Lesson of the day: You can't expect somebody who wants to sell you something to be unbiased .
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Well I am in sales and of course you are going to put YOUR product or whatever you have to sell in a position to seem to be the best. That is the whole point of sales isn't it.
Both points are perfectly valid.

EAS: Look the question is as much about the UNIFORMITY of the outside ring as it is about the brightness. The plethora of pictures above clearly and unequivocally demonstrate the point I have been making all along. Argue all you want but it is clear:

1. The uniformity and brightness of the E92 angel eyes are, by design and regardless of the light source (i.e. OEM or non OEM and regardless of which which particular kit you go with) inherently very sensitive to the viewing angle.

2. Getting a single shot which is "fair" to both sides of the car at the same time can be challenging.

3. Your picture of AiB vs. LUX is not being fair to one product, particularly with regard to UNIFORMITY. We can leave it to the board to decide if this "artifact" in the photo was intentional or not. Again, I am not making any judgements as to which kit, when under the perfect viewing angle, will make a brighter outer ring. That almost for sure is the AiB kit - its fundamental design is to brighten the outer ring.
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You should take a look at our HID Angel Eye setup, it is one of (if not) the brightest, you might spend an extra 20-30min installing them, they are so bright they work as a path way light when coming up to the car at night
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Nice! I can tell you're excited about getting your new M3. Good luck!


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thanks! I'm not gonna be able to pick up the ZCP this weekend awaiting some paperwork from the dealer
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did a little P-shop of the yellow angel eyes on the GTS.

but a mint green GTS

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Brandon,

I'm not questioning your intent to capture a dead-on shot, but the picture is not dead-center.

The center of the windshield does not line up with the roundel, nor perfectly split the vertical lines on the rear window.
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