BBK or Panerai?

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

Ok, so I just looked up the 292 and it looks about as sophisticated as a $12 Timex from Wal-Mart. How the flagnog are they justifying $10K for that ugly piece of shit? Seriously.

wow honestly PLEASE GTFO

[SpencerM3]

Ok, so the 292 is not your thing. I get it, not for everyone. But below is a pic of a hand made Panerai movement and a Quartz Timex made by a machine movement.

Panerai OP X Movement


Timex Quartz Movement


Yup, spot on Dr Seuss. about as sophisticated as a $12 Wal-Mart watch.

[GewoW]

Originally Posted by SpencerM3

Ok, so the 292 is not your thing. I get it, not for everyone. But below is a pic of a hand made Panerai movement and a Quartz Timex made by a machine movement.

Panerai OP X Movement


Timex Quartz Movement


Yup, spot on Dr Seuss. about as sophisticated as a $12 Wal-Mart watch.

Hell I'm thinking 12$ is too much for the Pam - maybe they could throw it in if I buy a happy meal

[OzStriker]

Jewellery has never interested me in the slightest, go the BBK!

[SleepyE90]

do you track your car?
if yes, bbk
if no, panerai

[kimchi///kush]

Sounds like you've already made your decision...and I think it's the right one. I'd personally troll the risti marketplace for a 249 cali if I were to go with a rad, but the 292 is a beauty. Neither purchase is a good investment, but you'll definitely be better financially in the long run with the Panerai.

[Green///Hell]

Why the hell is this thread still up?

It is the most uninteresting and least entertaining thread on the board


Die thread die!!! /Thread

[armorrig]

Originally Posted by Green///Hell

Why the hell is this thread still up?

It is the most uninteresting and least entertaining thread on the board


Die thread die!!! /Thread

[John Tanglewood]

You want stealth?

I just picked this up last christmas in jamaica (duty free FTW). It's right in your price range.

Of course I already have the Panerai you are showing, and I get compliments all the time ..... but not as often as I do from this:

Bell and Ross Phantom


Get the watch.. BBK come and go, timepieces last a lifetime.

[quality_sound]

Originally Posted by GewoW

wow honestly PLEASE GTFO

Yes, honestly. It's ugly as sin.

[quality_sound]

Originally Posted by SpencerM3

Ok, so the 292 is not your thing. I get it, not for everyone. But below is a pic of a hand made Panerai movement and a Quartz Timex made by a machine movement.

Panerai OP X Movement


Timex Quartz Movement


Yup, spot on Dr Seuss. about as sophisticated as a $12 Wal-Mart watch.

I understand the internals are of better quality which is why I said it LOOKS like a Wal-Mart Timex. Honestly, as long as it keeps fairly reliable time, and even a Timex will, then there needs to be some focus on the cosmetics. In the aethetics department the 292 fails. Miserably.

[SUB-ZERO]

Panerai

[SUB-ZERO]

Originally Posted by quality_sound

I understand the internals are of better quality which is why I said it LOOKS like a Wal-Mart Timex. Honestly, as long as it keeps fairly reliable time, and even a Timex will, then there needs to be some focus on the cosmetics. In the aethetics department the 292 fails. Miserably.

I think that is the same movement that I have in my 1950

[SUB-ZERO]

Originally Posted by John Tanglewood

You want stealth?

I just picked this up last christmas in jamaica (duty free FTW). It's right in your price range.

Of course I already have the Panerai you are showing, and I get compliments all the time ..... but not as often as I do from this:

Bell and Ross Phantom


Get the watch.. BBK come and go, timepieces last a lifetime.

The B&R Phantom is a great watch (and well priced too).

[Georgeair]

Originally Posted by badfish

John, how much do you reckon this watch is worth (without the blue marks)?

$86,480 from timeofswitzerland.

[niqui]

Originally Posted by SpencerM3

Funny you say this.

I too thought that the whole over sized watch craze that started a few years ago would die out, but it hasn't. Now most Panerais are like 44mm so that isn't too big unlike some stupid Jacob & Co or Grahamn's that are 48-56mm+!

Panerai has had an amazing resurgence in the past 10 years, i do not see the brand dying out anytime soon at all. It has arguablly the most loyal followers, "Panerisiti" than any other brand. Additionally considering that most Panerais are made in 1000-2000 piece runs per year, they really aren't as played out as some suggest.

Lastly, someone was arguing the whole M3/Accord thing and mentioned what;s the difference from a Panerai to a Timex? Bull shit, A) Timex'es are cheap quartz p.o.s.'s and B) are made by machines, Panerais are automatic or manual movements and are hand made in very limited quantities. I too agree that when drivers of high end cars call out people on expensive watch purchases, is really no different than just buying an economical Honda or Toyota.

agreed that it has lasted much longer than i thought...but ive had mine for nearly 8 years and am seeing them more and more frequently, no problem, but still.
i think it is moving to big black watches - big watches are still in but the distinctive luminor case or rad case will soon be very common in my opinion...which bothers some ...still have a soft spot for the 8 day reserve and california, dont know why.
not a great movement but you are paying for the look and such, i am happy with it. i dont think audemars compare to this 6k watch...

[SUB-ZERO]

Originally Posted by niqui

agreed that it has lasted much longer than i thought...but ive had mine for nearly 8 years and am seeing them more and more frequently, no problem, but still.
i think it is moving to big black watches - big watches are still in but the distinctive luminor case or rad case will soon be very common in my opinion...which bothers some ...still have a soft spot for the 8 day reserve and california, dont know why.
not a great movement but you are paying for the look and such, i am happy with it. i dont think audemars compare to this 6k watch...

Panerai's have been big before the "big watch" fad ever came about. Originally, Panerai built watches for the Italian Navy in Firenze (Florence); therefore, diver watches were big so that 1) You could wear them over your dive suit and 2) So you could read the time clearly under water. I actually have an original Panerai 1950 and it is 47mm with a leather strap...it is a beautiful master piece and very rare.

I also have a cold war era Soviet dive watch that was given to me as a gift. It is huge (50mm+), thick and poorly made. However, it looks cool in my watch box (I don't wear it because it is ridiculous).

-SZ

[gixxer_kidd]

No matter which one you get now, you'll end up getting the other one down the road. You'll prob get more enjoyment out of the Panerai. Be prepared to spend a few hundred more on straps! =) I have a 177 myself and thought about selling it for other mods, but my wife stops me because she knows I'll end up regretting it or better yet pick up an AP ROO!

[MaxL]

Originally Posted by SpencerM3

Ok, so the 292 is not your thing. I get it, not for everyone. But below is a pic of a hand made Panerai movement and a Quartz Timex made by a machine movement.

Panerai OP X Movement


Yup, spot on Dr Seuss. about as sophisticated as a $12 Wal-Mart watch.

And here is a picture of a relatively low-end watch that was less than $10 in 50's and could be had for less than $5 on a flee market just 10-15 years ago (it was a typical gift given to common soldiers - anyone with a rank got at least a 20-jewel watch):



This movement looks better to me than that Panerai picture (bad picture?) and many of these watches still work, and they were not a collectors item but a low-end workhorse, so those 60 years were not an easy ride.

Buying watches for design, brand name, status symbol or as jewelry - I totally understand that, and there is a way to explain and justify practically any price. But a technological marvel they are not - even the most complex ones have many times less engineering thought invested in them than a disposable cell phone, and being hand-made only increases the cost but not the quality.

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by gixxer_kidd

No matter which one you get now, you'll end up getting the other one down the road. You'll prob get more enjoyment out of the Panerai. Be prepared to spend a few hundred more on straps! =) I have a 177 myself and thought about selling it for other mods, but my wife stops me because she knows I'll end up regretting it or better yet pick up an AP ROO!

I have a number of watches and my Panny 233 doesn't get lots of wrist time, but the basic Panny is classic and changing straps is like getting a new watch.

Much is made of in-house movements. Nothing automatically better about them, but I'd stick with the p2004 movements or one of the modifications of it if it means a lot to you.

Finally just a comment about the JLC movements in the AP ROOs cited earlier. You'd be hard pressed to buy a new one without the in-house movement (3126/3840) as they made a transition a few years back starting with limited editions. This Montawk Highway LE I picked up last summer certainly has it. I think even the basic rubber clad models have it now too.

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by MaxL

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But a technological marvel they are not - even the most complex ones have many times less engineering thought invested in them than a disposable cell phone, and being hand-made only increases the cost but not the quality.

Quite far off the mark. I know it's not an interest of yours, but if you really believe what you wrote you ought of read up on the cutting edge technology employed in many watches. Not only in design and production processes, but especially materials science.

It's not uncommon for a watch movement with complications to take years to refine using state-of-the-art simulation software. Try taking 400 or so small parts and assemble them so they're accurate to +-2 secs per day in virtually all positions.

While not a huge fan of Rolex, I have a few of them and even a basic review of their production facilities, especially the robotics involved is amazing.

http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2...006_04_102.pdf

[SpencerM3]

Originally Posted by BigHat

I have a number of watches and my Panny 233 doesn't get lots of wrist time, but the basic Panny is classic and changing straps is like getting a new watch.

Much is made of in-house movements. Nothing automatically better about them, but I'd stick with the p2004 movements or one of the modifications of it if it means a lot to you.

Finally just a comment about the JLC movements in the AP ROOs cited earlier. You'd be hard pressed to buy a new one without the in-house movement (3126/3840) as they made a transition a few years back starting with limited editions. This Montawk Highway LE I picked up last summer certainly has it. I think even the basic rubber clad models have it now too.

You're right, i think most of not all do have it now. However I got my ROO back in September 2008 and at that point only a few of the LE's had it. I was on the fence about getting the 233 a year ago but passed, now I am looking at the 292 but someone earlier made an interesting call...

IWC Big Pilots Watch............