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      02-27-2007, 03:39 AM   #23
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keep in mind, in the 2007 BMW F1.07 (there brand new formula 1 car), BMW has a new "seamless shift" gear box... a box that preselects the next gear and hence shifts "seamlessly."

Maybe BMW will do with this gear box what they did with the SMG... take their technology directly from their Formula 1 car. After all, it is all within the BMW M group!

does this DSG thing make it all smooth and civilised...?
i hope not..
i love the raw nature of SMG, the kick in the back when shifting from 1st to 2nd at the red line!!!!
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      02-27-2007, 07:10 AM   #24
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I agree with ManzUK the kick in the back feeling is so satisfying and i really hope they use the dsg from their F1.07 car.
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      02-27-2007, 09:03 AM   #25
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does this DSG thing make it all smooth and civilised...?
i hope not..
i love the raw nature of SMG, the kick in the back when shifting from 1st to 2nd at the red line!!!!
yeah...but people think it's way too jerky.
maybe they are better off getting mercedes? hahaha
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does this DSG thing make it all smooth and civilised...?
i hope not..
i love the raw nature of SMG, the kick in the back when shifting from 1st to 2nd at the red line!!!!
Well, a formula 1 car is hardly civilized in terms of personality so I would imagine it gives a pretty good jolt......

That being said, I am sure that BMW has been working their formula 1 gear box in a way where the drivers can shift mid-corner without upsetting the line into the corner.

My guess is that it should be a little more civilized for in-city driving...
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      02-27-2007, 11:18 AM   #27
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My M3 DSG dream is finally coming to life. I honestly hope to see fewer M5 technology to go onto the M3. e.g M5's SMG III.
And yes, M3 DSG will beat C63's 7-Gtronic!
And, I am more than happy to take a cheaper 335i with DSG !
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[quote=Last E92 M3;730368]yeah...but people think it's way too jerky.
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SMG is way to jerky for day to day driving but has its plus points when laying some rubber, the box works best on road on the limit, albeit it struggles on the track because of this..5 to 3 etc as previously noted in this thread..

the new SMG/DSG style box better be good cus i chose manual over DSG for my M3's after long tests in both..

all subjective at mo anyhow...come on beemer give us the details and i might start saving again to replace mine with a new one..
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      02-27-2007, 12:48 PM   #29
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SMG is way to jerky for day to day driving
works fine for me.. can be so smooth you wouldnt even notice a gear change (and thats in s5)
just need to work the accelerator properly.

if you mean 'fast' daily driving then maybe you have a point.
but I like it notchy
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this new M3 coming Fall of this year is making alot of people nervous and scrambling for cover!

Friendlies here! :rocks:
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I drove a DSG VW GTI and was very impressed with how quickly and smoothly it shifted down and up. For all but at-the-limit track driving DSG > SMG (unless you like getting your neck yanked, but with 420 HP you are already going to give it a big workout )

I have also driven a Ferrari F430 at multiple racetracks (yes, lucky bastard) and the SMG/F1 transmission in race mode nails upshifts and perfectly blips downshifts, sounding great the whole time. There is nothing like running 140 MPH down the main straight in 5th gear and then hitting the left paddle twice accompanied by the "whaaaa, whaaaaaaa" double downshift and then charing through a 90 MPH corner with almost 500 HP pushing you through it. Pure automobile delight!
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      02-27-2007, 07:16 PM   #32
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I drove a DSG VW GTI and was very impressed with how quickly and smoothly it shifted down and up. For all but at-the-limit track driving DSG > SMG (unless you like getting your neck yanked, but with 420 HP you are already going to give it a big workout )

I have also driven a Ferrari F430 at multiple racetracks (yes, lucky bastard) and the SMG/F1 transmission in race mode nails upshifts and perfectly blips downshifts, sounding great the whole time. There is nothing like running 140 MPH down the main straight in 5th gear and then hitting the left paddle twice accompanied by the "whaaaa, whaaaaaaa" double downshift and then charing through a 90 MPH corner with almost 500 HP pushing you through it. Pure automobile delight!
I drooled a little!
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      02-27-2007, 08:56 PM   #33
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BMW is discontinuing SMG for the 2008 550i. That was just announced yesterday. Sign of things to come?
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seamless shift? I am a three-pedal guy... but seamless shift still is way cool
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      02-27-2007, 09:55 PM   #35
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If the DSG comes out I'll definetly get it since my GTI with DSG has impressed me well with it's shifting. But if it still comes with the SMG III like the M5 my brother has, i'll be getting the manual over it all.
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      02-27-2007, 10:48 PM   #36
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Yes, but people into the RS4 play the "4 door card", plus the M3 has a much more loyal following than the RS4, since we last saw the RS4 stateside in '01.
Look forward to seeing the RS5 coupe, but I think it may be closer in spirit to the M6 than M3.
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I hear the new M3 runs on hydrogen. That's BMW's big surprise!
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If the DSG comes out I'll definetly get it since my GTI with DSG has impressed me well with it's shifting. But if it still comes with the SMG III like the M5 my brother has, i'll be getting the manual over it all.

The 2006 335i 's enhanced Steptronic tranny is 50% faster response than the auto tranny of my 2006 330i. I will be watching BMW marketing very closely as they seem to launch a major new technology every 9/12 month on the same car model. :mad: I don't want to repeat to be a big laugh if I get a M3 aged SMG III while everyone else gets a M3 new DSG.
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I hear the new M3 runs on hydrogen. That's BMW's big surprise!
where did you hear that?? source?
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where did you hear that?? source?
I think that was suppose to be a sarcasm..
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The 2006 335i 's enhanced Steptronic tranny is 50% faster response than the auto tranny of my 2006 330i. I will be watching BMW marketing very closely as they seem to launch a major new technology every 9/12 month on the same car model. :mad: I don't want to repeat to be a big laugh if I get a M3 aged SMG III while everyone else gets a M3 new DSG.
That's the exact point i'm getting at. The manual never gets old, so no one can say anything about it. The the Auto transmissions change so much, especially for BMW..
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Yes, but people into the RS4 play the "4 door card", plus the M3 has a much more loyal following than the RS4, since we last saw the RS4 stateside in '01.
The RS4 has never been available stateside until now.

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I think that was suppose to be a sarcasm..
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  • You cannot skip gears downshifting - i.e. 5 to 3rd, 6th to 3rd - this makes it useless around a track
  • Also, people complain that it kicks down regardless if it is in auto / manual mode when you go part throttle - no control
If BMW does a DSG type of system, I suspect they would need to fix these 2 issues....
YES, I am sure BMW will take care of that right away, for the few M3 track junkies that will buy the car for track use.
If you really think that, you might have a problem.....
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